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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Craig Hoy

As a result of the SBRC review, there was quite high awareness of and training in cybersecurity—95 per cent of staff underwent cybersecurity training in 2020. Since the attack, how have you approached the issue in order to raise awareness and develop skills among staff in relation to emerging and future risks to cybersecurity?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I will put this question to both David Pirie and Helen Nisbet for SEPA’s and the Scottish Government’s perspectives. Earlier, Helen described the situation as a game of cat and mouse, and cybersecurity is getting increasingly sophisticated. What impact is that having on workforce planning to ensure that public bodies—SEPA and the wider public sector—have the skills that they need to make sure that they can not only recover from this attack, in the case of SEPA, but safeguard against future attacks?

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Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I will turn now, in some detail, to governance and oversight. I accept that you were not in post in 2017 when the Scottish Government established the Enterprise and Skills Strategic Board. The view of the Auditor General is that

“The ESSB lacks the authority to hold the skills agencies to account”.

In 2020 the Scottish Government proposed a new skills alignment assurance group to replace the governance arrangements. In 2021 the Scottish Government wound up the SAAG. Here, in 2022, we have the shared outcomes assurance group. It strikes me that we have more groups than Eurovision and more directors than Hollywood, but this document might now be the one that works.

Looking back at that history, could you say what issues affected governance and what steps the Government is taking? Is the document the one that will get us to the point at which there will be sufficient assurance that appropriate governance and oversight arrangements are in place?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay. Obviously, you will have looked at the directorates and the SFC. Do you believe that they have sufficient internal staffing capacity to support the skills alignment activities?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Good morning, Mr Griffin. Before we go into issues of oversight and governance, I will echo the convener’s remarks about the late emergence of the shared outcomes framework. You have pulled the rug from under our feet to some extent in this session, because we have not had time to study the framework, but yet you are referring to it, almost like Chamberlain, saying, “Here it is, peace in our time between these two bodies”. On the announcement yesterday about the independent adviser’s report on education, if that is the sort of slap-dash, last-minute and inconsiderate way that the Scottish Government is operating, it is perhaps no surprise that we are increasingly seeing reports coming to the committee that identify serious and systemic failures in the operation, delivery, governance and oversight of key public services.

Before I turn to the questions that I have prepared—which I think are now redundant, in some respects—I want to go back to leadership, because I do not think that you fully answered the question from Mr Beattie. The second key message of the report says that

“The Scottish Government has not provided the necessary leadership for progress”

and that

“Many obstacles remain and present risks to progress. The Scottish Government now needs to take urgent action to realise its ambitions for skills alignment.”

Do not forget that we are talking about £2 billion of taxpayers’ money and two very large organisations—SDS and the SFC. I am looking at exhibit 1—the organogram. At the top of the tree is the Minister for Further Education and Higher Education, Youth Employment and Training. Is the failure of leadership ministerial, institutional or systemic, or is it a combination of all three?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

We might have you back at committee.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Are you saying that it is politically unpalatable to extend the legislation beyond those points?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

The measures in the bill on early release from prison and young offenders institutions are exceptional because they specifically relate to Covid and they are time limited. I go back to your opening remarks. If you want a statute that is fit for purpose, why would you not want to have the capacity to release prisoners early in another pandemic situation, or beyond 2025?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

If your first priority is to safeguard the public, including those who are in prison, surely you would want to keep that power on the statute book to utilise at some point in the future.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I am not sure that I necessarily follow the logic of that position.

Mr Simpson referred to the measures on private sector tenancies. The draft strategy consultation paper “A New Deal for Tenants” is out for consultation until 15 April 2022. I am slightly at a loss in working out why provisions that effectively pre-empt that consultation are included in the bill. Would it not be far better to remove those provisions from the bill and include them in future housing legislation, so that you can be cognisant of the consultation responses?