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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Craig Hoy

You would normally expect that, when there is a division between the civil service and ministers, a ministerial direction would be issued. To your knowledge, was that done? If not, do you believe that it would have been far better if such a document had been produced?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Craig Hoy

I have a question about the Scottish Government’s loan payments. It appears that the accelerated payments and loans were a significant cause for concern in relation to FMEL’s cashflow. Through the first loan, the Scottish Government, in effect, secretly loaned the company up to £15 million, and, latterly, a further £30 million was given to keep the company afloat, in positive cashflow terms, so that it could continue to service another part of the Government’s work. There was almost a sort of Ponzi scheme at the heart of this.

The Government claimed that the original £15 million loan was commercially confidential, but that reasoning was dropped when the further £30 million loan was made available. Do you have any understanding of why the Government changed its tune in relation to the commercial confidentiality of the loans?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Craig Hoy

I have a quick final question. It appears that a significant number of those in FMEL’s senior management were covered by non-disclosure agreements when they left. In your view, when significant sums of public money are involved, is it acceptable for such agreements to be in place? Has that hampered your audit work in any respects?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Craig Hoy

I think that we might have lost the connection with Donna.

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Craig Hoy

The Auditor General draws attention to that in his briefing. Stakeholders raised concerns not only about extracting adult social care but about the wider scale of the reforms and the impact that they could have on local government.

The financial tension is significant. The other tension is that, during the structural reform process over the next three to five years, the urgent need in social care that the Auditor General identifies in his briefing might somehow be pushed out because of the process that will need to be undertaken.

Caroline Lamb, what assurance can you give the committee that there will be a clear timescale for developing a plan to address the urgent issues in the system? How will it be possible to implement longer-term reform, for example when councils allocate capital budgets or in relation to the reprovisioning of care services? Is there not a real risk that, because of the longer-term structural review, those issues will be pushed off the table even though, in many respects, they are urgent?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Craig Hoy

From a COSLA perspective, Nicola Dickie might want to reflect on the financial pressures that local government has experienced recently and what might happen during the interim period, when we might see a significant hollowing out of local government, as social care is moved under ministerial control.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Ms Fairweather, I saw you nodding in agreement there, so I assume that you are going to validate that position. From an audit, governance and accountability perspective, would it not make sense to have a single figure in the Government on whose door we could knock if we had concerns about the way that ICT projects were developing?

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Good morning. One of the Scottish Government’s key measures and policies has been the introduction of new standards for medication-assisted treatment, which has become a bit of a buzz word. Your briefing rightly notes that the standards aim to give people access, choice and support through drug services. They are due to be embedded across the country by April 2022, which, as we know, is this week. Can you provide an update on where you believe that to be and how realistic the deadline is?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Craig Hoy

To go back to the recommendation, it was not necessarily about making someone accountable, but was about having an oversight function. Is there not a need for an oversight function with a clear line of accountability?

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Reluctantly.