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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

In respect of the £36 million that have been misclaimed or obtained through fraud, which you said it would be inhumane to draw back from people, will you get tough on those who misclaim benefits and, when there is an overpayment, will you be robust enough to reclaim that money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

No, but the words were put in the public domain.

Finally, I move to two potential risks. The first relates to public sector pay. You set a policy of a 9 per cent increase, but all the public sector pay agreements that have been made so far are projected to be ahead of that. Are you now in the territory of saying to public sector workers who have had pay deals that they should expect nominal pay settlements of about 1 per cent in the third year? In effect, that is where things will end up, unless you are willing to bust your pay policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

On 7 August, the response to a freedom of information request said that 24 bodies submitted applications and there were 40 applications in total. Among the 24 bodies were different Scottish Government directorates, health boards and local authorities. What does it say about the appetite for public sector reform that 24 of 140 to 200 bodies made a submission to that ambitious and wide-ranging scheme?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Clearly, some bodies are doing that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

This is my very final question, convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Craig Hoy

It was a two-part question, and the second part is coming. On the 0.5 per cent workforce reduction target, Professor Graeme Roy told us that he was concerned that, if you rely too much on natural attrition, you will end up not having the right people in the right place. How do you avoid that becoming an issue?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Craig Hoy

I will take Andy Witty back to labour market participation. In your response to our question 6, you say:

“Barriers to work in Scotland are well understood and preventative spend, particularly investment in childcare, would bring about more labour market participation.”

With the significant investment in the 1,140 hours of free childcare programme, have you seen any demonstrable shift towards an increase in labour market participation among the target group that would give you confidence to say that further investment would yield a benefit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Would you say that your Government is better at getting people on to benefits than it is at getting people off them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Craig Hoy

I think that colleagues might want you to do so.

In relation to the work to lift children out of poverty, the Scottish child payment has been welcomed by a number of third sector groups and independent analysts, but I want to talk about those above the poverty line who are in receipt of the payment. You will be aware that, last July, SPICe prepared a paper that contained a graph that showed that more Scottish child payment recipients are above the poverty line than are below it. Do you not think that, if the Scottish child payment was better targeted, you could be more effective in lifting children above the poverty line, rather than measuring its performance against recipients’ average disposable incomes after housing costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 16 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Elaine Morrison, we touched on this issue earlier, but a lot of SMEs and a lot of sectors, such as life sciences, report that raising capital and funds in Scotland is difficult. In the Scottish public sector—in local government, for example—£65 billion is sitting in pension funds. Some of that ends up being invested in the life sciences industry in Australia, for example, through traditional pension investment portfolios, but there seems to be reluctance among public sector pension funds to put money into early-stage investments in, for example, life sciences here in Scotland, although there have been examples of that. For example, the Strathclyde pension fund used a specialist venture capital fund to invest, resulting in a win-win situation of attracting jobs to Strathclyde and a getting a return on its investment. What more could be done, for public infrastructure but also for those sectors that are seeking access to cash in Scotland, to lean on public sector pensions more, and what discussions have you had with Governments or pension funds to bring that culture about?