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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

As per the earlier remarks. To go back to Mr Marra’s point, given that the scope of the bill has been reduced and the national care service initiative has been set to one side, why are we still looking at a run rate of more than £1 million a month?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

With due respect, minister, the work on understanding was done by the Feeley review, with the Government then introducing a bill, so the money has not been spent on developing greater understanding. It has been spent on the pathway towards the creation of a national care service that you are no longer pursuing, so you could argue that a large chunk of that £30 million is taxpayers’ money down the drain.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

It almost sounds as though you are making the case that a national care service is not required, if all those things could have been done by simply reprofiling existing workstreams. Surely the huge monolithic national care service is not actually necessary, minister.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

For clarity, will the existing body be removed completely? No sponsoring element in the Scottish Government will remain, so there will be no duplication.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

Good morning. The document makes reference to the savings that carers currently provide to Scotland. The estimate that the Scottish Government has come up with is £13.9 billion per year, which totals £14.3 billion when healthcare costs are taken into account. Where does that figure come from and what confidence do you have that that is the net saving at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

I go back to the role of the legal sector in relation to cost control, mission creep and so on. In his submission to us, Roger Mullin says:

“The unintended consequence of this is that individuals and legal firms, paid on the basis of their time involved in an inquiry, have no incentive to be as efficient as possible and indeed will get rewarded from the public purse by maximising their time involved.”

Based on your experience, Lord Hardie, is there a risk that, given that the whole mechanism has been built up and people are paid on a daily basis, there is some incentive for things to slide?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

What is it projected to be by the end of 2025-26?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

I want to go back to a point that Michael Marra raised. Minister, you said that the costs of preparing for the national care service were £1.6 million in 2021-22 and £12.3 million in 2022-23. A written answer that I got from the Government on 1 October last year said that the total cost to that point was £28.7 million—that is, effectively, £30 million for a project that, in large part, is not going to happen. Can you provide the committee with an update today on what that figure stands at?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

My question is about cost control, Lord Hardie. You have set out your concerns that imposing cost controls or a timeframe threatens an inquiry’s independence. Setting that to one side, given that the funding comes from the public purse, what spending controls would be necessary to uphold public confidence while maintaining the independence of the chair? In practical terms, what could be done to control costs?

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