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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

I have two questions. First, I will go back to target topics, which I know we discussed at the start of the session. The programme advisory group identified seven target topics. We have discussed the three that are being taken forward, but I want to hear your views on investment in biodiversity, which is not being taken forward. Does any of your organisations have a view on the extent to which a statutory target on investment in biodiversity would be useful and help to drive forward the changes that are required?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Thank you. My second question is about consultation on the targets. The Scottish Government, in evidence to the committee, said that it did not envisage doing any formal public consultation. Based on your organisations experiences of engaging with the public and people who are affected by and living in the environment, what are your views on the need to carry out public consultation on the targets, specifically?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Does Dr Tuckett want to contribute?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

I also heard you touch on investment, which relates to my second question, which is for the wider panel. When the Government was working on the bill, seven topics were identified by the programme advisory group, and only three of those topics are being taken forward in the bill. One of the topics that is not being taken forward is investment in biodiversity. I heard that mentioned by a few of our witnesses today.

Dr McParland said that CIEEM would like to see targets as a driver for investment in biodiversity and noted that 22 per cent of planning authorities do not have access to biodiversity expertise, and Jacqueline Cook, on behalf of the SPF, spoke about local authorities not having the resources. It seems that there is a funding gap.

My question, therefore, is whether you believe that the protection and restoration that we are discussing can happen without public investment. How likely is it that the outcomes can be delivered without a statutory target on public investment? What is your view on the lack of a target on public investment in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

I also heard you touch on investment, which relates to my second question, which is for the wider panel. When the Government was working on the bill, seven topics were identified by the programme advisory group, and only three of those topics are being taken forward in the bill. One of the topics that is not being taken forward is investment in biodiversity. I heard that mentioned by a few of our witnesses today.

Dr McParland said that CIEEM would like to see targets as a driver for investment in biodiversity and noted that 22 per cent of planning authorities do not have access to biodiversity expertise, and Jacqueline Cook, on behalf of the SPF, spoke about local authorities not having the resources. It seems that there is a funding gap.

My question, therefore, is whether you believe that the protection and restoration that we are discussing can happen without public investment. How likely is it that the outcomes can be delivered without a statutory target on public investment? What is your view on the lack of a target on public investment in the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Do we need a specific target for investment? The Scottish Government said that it believes that there is a risk of perverse outcomes, such as greenwashing. I would therefore be interested to hear your views on whether a target for investment would be helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Is there something that the Government can do with the bill to support farmers to drive forward that action? It sounds as though you are saying that it is more about making sure that what is in place is clearer.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

All my questions have been answered. Thank you, convener.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

I will clarify that my question was, “If not statutory targets, then what?” As you said, you have outlined your reasons why you oppose statutory targets. That is on the record. What would you like to see instead in order to drive that action forward?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Mercedes Villalba

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for having me back. I have two questions, if you will indulge me.

My first question is for the NFUS. We have heard this morning that the organisation believes that the focus needs to be on actions, not outcomes. I also heard that the NFUS does not want to see targets in the bill.

The committee took evidence from the Scottish Government when the bill was introduced, and it said that its view is that targets are a key way to drive action and that it already has a strategy and six-year delivery plans. Therefore, the idea is that the third part of the biodiversity framework will be the bill, with its statutory targets, and that the third element of the statutory targets, along with the strategy and the delivery plans, will be how we drive action forward.

If the NFUS disagrees with that—and it sounds like it does—what does it see as the best way to drive that action, given that we already have the strategy and the delivery plans? If not statutory targets, then what?