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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 March 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Tess White

The amendments are about basic transparency and making sure that we understand how the system is working in practice. At stage 1, we heard concerns that, without proper data, it will be difficult to know whether the bill is having unintended effects on children, families or schools, and the amendments address that gap.

Amendment 35 makes a small but important technical change by linking the reporting duty to the new definitions in the bill so that data on withdrawals is recorded consistently and clearly. That would help to ensure that information is accurate and comparable across schools and local authorities.

Amendment 39 would introduce a clear reporting requirement by requiring schools to report annually on requests for withdrawal from religious instruction and religious observance. It also requires reporting on how often pupils objected to a parental request and how often those objections were upheld. The amendment does not ask schools to record beliefs or motivations. It simply collects information on how the process is being used and where the disagreements are arising.

I move amendment 35.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Tess White

Cabinet secretary, I hope that you will be pleased to hear that, based on what you have just said—that you will take the amendments away, consider them, review them and then come back—I will not press my amendment. Thank you for that, and I look forward to working with you on that.

Amendment 35, by agreement, withdrawn.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Tess White

Cabinet secretary, convener and committee, these amendments are about making sure that we properly understand the impact of the bill before it comes into force, rather than dealing with problems after the fact. My colleague Paul O’Kane has referred to the fact that we have just over three months until the end of the parliamentary session and it feels that the bill is being rushed through, but it is not a simple bill.

At stage 1, we heard concerns about workload, resources and the effect on relationships between schools, parents and pupils. The amendments would ensure that those concerns are properly considered in advance. I have raised the point that only three educational authorities were consulted—I stress that, because it shocked me.

Amendment 55 would require the Scottish ministers to carry out and publish a pre-commencement impact assessment on the likely effects of the bill. That assessment would have to look specifically at the impact on families, parents, children, teaching staff and support staff. That matters, because the bill introduces new duties and new processes for schools, and those changes will affect real people in real settings.

Amendment 56 would make sure that the impact assessment is considered by a parliamentary committee with responsibility for education before the act is commenced. That would give Parliament an opportunity to scrutinise the findings and ensure that any risks or pressures have been properly thought through.

I move amendment 55.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you, convener, and thanks to the committee for its work on this petition. We welcome the commitment from Jo Farrell and Police Scotland, and it is also good to hear that a key loose end will now be closed and that the committee will be writing to the courts.

I want to say two things, if I may. First, will the letter to the courts be sent before the end of the year, convener? Secondly, I note that, for completeness, Murray Blackburn Mackenzie has formally asked the committee to obtain the same assurance from the Scottish Prison Service.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Tess White

I was brief before, convener, and I would just like to say thank you now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you. If you could come back with that information, that would be appreciated.

I will move on to my second question. We heard about the isolation that some deaf pupils feel when they are in mainstream schools. How might support for deaf pupils in mainstream schools be improved?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Good morning, Deputy First Minister and officials. My question is about education. Thank you for saying in your address that, as part of the planning, you are costing a national tutor course and will support BSL users to become teachers. Do you have any other thoughts on how to increase the number of deaf BSL users who are qualified to teach BSL-using pupils?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

Thank you. I have a follow-up question. You cannot manage what you do not measure, so do you have a starting position for the number of trained teachers who are deaf BSL users? Do you have a figure for 10 years ago, for five years ago, for now and for the future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

But it is in there somewhere.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Tess White

That goes back to my point that you cannot manage what you do not measure, so having it as part of your mainstreaming work is important.

I have one final question, Deputy First Minister. Do you or your officials have any thoughts on the idea of piloting BSL learning opportunities for all pupils in Scotland?