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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

Finally, are there any other issues that the witnesses would like to raise with the committee? I will start with Sally.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

I will start with Andy Sirel. You talked about the need for urgent reform of judicare, and you said that the whole system needs looking at. We are talking about a landscape in which the number of pieces of advice that Citizens Advice Scotland provides has—according to its submission—increased by 25 per cent. The system is broken. Bearing in mind the tight funding situation that we are in and the fact that everyone wants more funding, what key actions need to be taken to improve that broken system in order to deliver the human rights that we are talking about?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

Okay; so you are saying that there needs to be an holistic, root-and-branch review that looks at all the different parts of the system and how they interact.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

If you could wave a magic wand, what actions do you think should be taken?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

That was really helpful.

I mentioned the 25 per cent increase in the number of pieces of advice that CAS provides. Am I right in saying that we are talking about 4,000 cases a month?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Tess White

You have already written to the organisations that might be involved, then they will—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Tess White

Yes—organisations that will give input through the consultation.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Tess White

That is welcome, particularly bearing in mind that we had a whole session on the public sector equality duty and all nine protected characteristics.

You have talked about the protected characteristic of sex. Following the Supreme Court judgment on the definition of “woman”, how will the Scottish Government actively prioritise the sex-based rights of women in upcoming policy reviews?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Tess White

It is almost as though a line has been drawn. You talk about Elect Her and Engender, and they are very good organisations, but they focus on gender, not biological sex. I suppose that matters, because my next question is about funding.

On rights-based budgeting, I wrote to you about how the Scottish Government funds and supports third sector and activist organisations in the regard that I have just mentioned, but I am still waiting for a response. Maybe I can resend that letter to you in light of the judgment, and you can now write to me. I would appreciate that.

In that correspondence, I talk about millions of pounds. There are all these figures. A recent one was £500 million. Huge amounts of money have been spent by the SNP Government on a gender self-identification echo chamber. I have used that term: it is an echo chamber with the likes of the Equality Network, Stonewall and LGBT Youth Scotland. There is, however, evidence that women’s groups advocating for sex-based rights feel that they have been marginalised and they feel maligned. Moving forward, I think it is important to recognise that, particularly when you are looking at funding. If you are only funding those organisations that agree with your view, there is a huge issue with that.

My colleague Pam Gosal talked about costly litigation, and we cannot talk about specific cases, but if the Scottish Government does not move at pace, there will be litigation for the NHS, hospitals, schools and leisure centres across the board.

I think that, right now, the public sector feels that it is having to scramble to unravel something. Will the SNP Government and the minister finally accept that rights-based budgeting does not just mean funding the groups that agree with you?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Tess White

My earlier set of questions explored you listening and hearing when incorporating policies. My next question is about rights-based budgeting but, before I ask that, I want to go back to something that you said in relation to a question from my colleague Pam Gosal.

You talked about gender quotas and you mentioned Elect Her and Engender. You are conflating sex and gender. The public sector equality duty has nine protected characteristics, one of which is sex and one of which is gender reassignment. When you review policies, it is important to differentiate between sex and gender. From this session and you saying that you are hearing what people are saying, I hope that you are mindful that when you say gender, do you mean gender or do you mean sex?