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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

That is helpful. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

I have a follow-up question for Dr Christman. You talk about the Aarhus convention, and I wonder whether that would apply to this case. As you are aware, the committee recently scrutinised the Aarhus convention and I raised the issue of the considerable barriers for community action groups in opposing new energy transmission infrastructure. There is rarely equality—there is huge inequality—for groups that want to challenge what they see as the environmental vandalism that they are experiencing. The Environmental Rights Centre for Scotland was of the view that the Scottish Government was in breach of the Aarhus convention. You have touched on regulation 15 of the 2002 regulations and access to justice on environmental issues. Could the quick fix that you are talking about relate to that issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

Dr Scott, you have talked about the model, so I will give you the opportunity to share your views with us, initially through a rural and remote lens.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

On the issue of data, do you have figures for the number of women who are trying to access legal aid in rural areas following domestic abuse?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

What are the figures, roughly?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

It has already been asked.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

To go back to the issue of employment, is there no role for the Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

I have one follow-up question, about domestic abuse. More than 80 per cent of those who experience domestic abuse are women. Scottish Women’s Aid said in its submission:

“Legal services should be provided free for all women, children and young people experiencing domestic abuse, with no means test and no qualification on accessing this for women.”

On the point about economic abuse, women who are on low incomes are often told by certain parties that they would be better off not working, because then they could access legal aid. However, if they have to stop working to access legal aid, they end up in a cycle in which they are never able to get out of poverty. Many women who experience domestic abuse find themselves leaving the family home and then having their partners come after them for maintenance—that is a huge situation. I have heard of absurd situations where women on low incomes have had to leave their family home, leaving their children behind, and cannot get legal advice but are being asked to pay significant sums in maintenance. Do you know of such cases? Would you also support Scottish Women’s Aid in its call for there to be no means testing at all?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

Pat Thom, I know that you have also said that the eligibility criteria should be reviewed. I am feeling a sense of desperation among many women who have experienced domestic abuse and economic abuse. Would you like to speak to that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Tess White

In wrapping up, I have the last few questions for you. I will go to Pat Thom first. If you had to look at a future vision for legal aid, what action would you say needs to be taken?