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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Tess White

I have two questions for Mr Lancaster. We have heard that finding a solicitor to help the most vulnerable people in domestic abuse cases, particularly where they are experiencing financial abuse, is almost like trying to find hens’ teeth. Women, especially, have had to look at or approach around 100 solicitors to find help. Are you concerned about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Tess White

I suggest that you have more power and influence than you think. You can sit down with the Law Society and talk to it about the pool of solicitors, and influence the universities. A few weeks ago, we heard how, during the Covid pandemic, places were provided to trainee solicitors for early entry into the profession to undertake the type of work that we are discussing. However, that seems to have dried up. I almost feel that you have given up when you say, “It doesn’t lie with me—I can’t do anything about it.” You actually can do something about it.

The system is broken and overly complex, and there are not enough solicitors. People are having to phone not just 30 solicitors, but more, and we are hearing about women who have experienced domestic abuse, who are homeless and have suffered financial abuse, and who have nowhere to go. If the situation is so bad—as it seems to be, because we are hearing evidence of that—what is stopping you sitting down with the Law Society and looking at the number of solicitors who are being trained? Does that number need to be increased? What areas of work are the solicitors going into? How many of them are doing legal aid? Should we provide certain funded positions, as was done during Covid? I put it back to you that to sit down with the Law Society, and work out some solutions and come up with some ideas, might be a way forward.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Tess White

Thank you. Back to you, convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

Our committee can try to pull some data from somewhere.

I have a final question about remote and rural areas. You touched on the thirst that is not being quenched in the desert, and the race in remote and rural areas for a solicitor. If I understand the issue correctly, the abuser is often first to get the solicitor. Are there any other challenges in that respect? You have talked about the number of solicitors who are coming to that position. Is that the only way to solve that huge issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

Professor Boyle, I found it really interesting when you talked about fragmentation and systemic issues. For example, groups such as For Women Scotland are increasingly using crowdfunding to fund challenges to the Scottish Government’s interpretation and implementation of the law. Crowdfunding is becoming a powerful tool to shape change, but it is not always an option for individuals, community groups and other organisations. What role does civil legal assistance play in supporting access to justice in such situations? Could it have an expanded role?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

Yes—in cases of huge environmental vandalism, when people feel completely disempowered. It is a David and Goliath situation, and there is nowhere for them to go for justice.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

That is helpful. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

I have a follow-up question for Dr Christman. You talk about the Aarhus convention, and I wonder whether that would apply to this case. As you are aware, the committee recently scrutinised the Aarhus convention and I raised the issue of the considerable barriers for community action groups in opposing new energy transmission infrastructure. There is rarely equality—there is huge inequality—for groups that want to challenge what they see as the environmental vandalism that they are experiencing. The Environmental Rights Centre for Scotland was of the view that the Scottish Government was in breach of the Aarhus convention. You have touched on regulation 15 of the 2002 regulations and access to justice on environmental issues. Could the quick fix that you are talking about relate to that issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

Dr Scott, you have talked about the model, so I will give you the opportunity to share your views with us, initially through a rural and remote lens.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Tess White

On the issue of data, do you have figures for the number of women who are trying to access legal aid in rural areas following domestic abuse?