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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 August 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Tess White

Good morning.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Tess White

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

Dr Hosie, I was going to ask whether the revised national outcomes lend themselves to greater connection and coherence in a budget-setting context, but I think that that has been asked already. You have spoken about the transformational potential and the lack of policy coherence, and you and Ms Cowan have said that there is silo working. I will drill down into that by asking two questions. One of those is broad; the other is more specific.

Against the background of the £500 million in-year spending cuts that the finance secretary announced in September, to what extent has the Scottish Government successfully adhered to the three principles of human rights budgeting?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

You both mentioned silo working. I have just come from the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee and am enriched with a lot of learning from that. I come from the north-east of Scotland, where the delivery of healthcare is increasingly being centralised in order to cut costs and to gain from economies of scale. However, when you look at the impact assessment of that, you see that that approach can entrench gender inequality and geographical inequality, because services are becoming increasingly inaccessible. We have many examples of people having to travel from an outlying area like Forfar to the hospital in Tayside in Dundee for an intrauterine device, for example. Such treatment is gendered. People do not think about the cost of travel from a rural area to a major hospital or about the childcare or caring responsibilities that women have.

Is there a disconnect between budget decisions like that—I have given the example of rural healthcare—and policy outcomes?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

That is not the question. The question was about how the terms should be defined. Basically, Catherine Murphy said that a lot more work needs to be done. Lewis, do you concur that more work needs to be done?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

We are about to go into a budgeting round. What you are saying has not been done before. For the rubber to hit the road, the committee must look at the budgets and see where the targets are, where they carry out an equality impact assessment and where they have some clear measured outcomes. That is what you are saying.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

I will bring in Catherine Robertson, who has just referred to that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

We are talking about the qualitative, and you are saying that a lot more work needs to be done on what are basically fields in data collection that need to be defined. Catherine Robertson, do you have a view on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Tess White

Great. As a follow-up, can you expand by explaining how the Scottish Government could have approached the matter differently in relation to the terminology? We have talked about quantitative and qualitative data. In relation to the qualitative, could you outline how the terms “sex”, “gender” and “gender identity” should be defined and applied in the context of the national performance framework? The devil is in the detail, in that regard. I ask Catherine Murphy to start off on that.