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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Tess White

Minister, I will build on my colleague Paul O’Kane’s question about non-legislative interventions. You have described to the committee a host of work that is going on. However, you cannot manage what you do not measure. For example, of 181 people in hospital with learning difficulties and complex care needs, 84 were classified as delayed discharges, which is close to half. That is a huge issue. You said that you are struggling to effect change without the bill, but there are some key areas that you are accountable for. The LDAN bill has been delayed and the Scottish Government has finally conceded that the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill is not fit for purpose, and meanwhile the social care sector is in crisis. Therefore, what action is the Scottish Government taking now to ensure that adequate care is available in the community for people with learning disabilities and autism and neurodivergent people?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Tess White

But it is not able to do that.

I have two final questions. Following the Cass report, under-18s in Scotland will be screened for mental health and neurodevelopmental conditions, such as autism, during initial assessments for gender dysphoria. The chief medical officer has confirmed that resources will need to be found to increase capacity. Given the exceptionally long waits for autism assessments, what progress, if any, has been made in that regard?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Tess White

Earlier, Jacqueline Campbell talked about holding your feet to the fire, and I would like to do so on that issue, minister.

The employment rate for autistic people is only 29 per cent, and you said that more work can be done with employers. I have a constituent who has been waiting years for an autism assessment. She is in work, but she cannot get an assessment, which her employer needs in order to make reasonable workplace mitigations and adjustments. She is in a catch-22 situation, and the fact that she has had to wait years is just not good enough. She is one of the lucky ones, because she is in employment. Jacqueline Campbell is nodding her head, so she obviously realises that that is a huge issue.

I asked my constituent about going private, but she said that she cannot do that because she would then be out of the system. She needs an NHS assessment, but she cannot get one.

Minister, what suggestions do you have for increasing the number of autism assessments?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 3 December 2024

Tess White

At the start of the meeting, you said that we are struggling to effect change without the bill. The view is that you are kicking the can down the road. I accept that they are not simple, but the committee has given you some clear concrete suggestions and examples relating to assessment, measuring and having proper data. I hope that you will take those away and start to effect change as soon as possible.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Tess White

I will put this question first to Jenny Miller, then to Simon Webster and Susan Burt. MSPs are currently marking—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Tess White

Thank you.

Would the LDAN bill be the right vehicle for tackling the issue? I will put that to Simon, and then to Jenny.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Tess White

The committee recently considered the Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill and heard views about the proposals for a learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence commissioner. The Scottish Parliament agreed to a moratorium on new commissioners until a review is completed, by June 2025. What are your views on the need for a learning disabilities, autism and neurodivergence commissioner?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Tess White

Suzi, I see you nodding your head. Is there anything that you would like to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Tess White

But can that not just happen without those things? It is so obvious that the culture needs to change. Why does it need a commissioner to actually get things done?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Learning Disabilities, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill

Meeting date: 26 November 2024

Tess White

Good—I will go to Susan first. Thank you, convener.

MSPs are currently marking the 16 days of activism against gender-based violence campaign. I understand that 90 per cent of women with learning disabilities have been subjected to sexual abuse, with 68 per cent experiencing sexual abuse before turning 18. Those are horrifying statistics. What changes need to be made to protect women with learning disabilities from sexual abuse?