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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

Thank you. What has just happened here, with the three witnesses working together from different angles, is a beautiful cameo. Now I go to the student on the panel. Louise, what is your view on the subject and on what you have just heard? How do you see us unpicking the issue? Do you have any additional thoughts?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

Thank you. Douglas?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

Thank you. Susan, I see that you want to come in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

I have absolutely no idea what any of that means. I suppose that that is part of the issue—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

I hear you, but we heard the point earlier that the schools are the ones who hold the coats. After listening to Gina Wilson and Juliet Harris, I have to say that, if I was a teacher or a headteacher, I would go to the council’s legal department and say, “We’ve got a situation where the parent and the child can’t agree and we don’t know what to do. Can we have legal advice?” It is no wonder that COSLA is concerned about all of this. If I was a headteacher, I would be massively concerned about it.

Gavin, what is your take on it, from the parent, teacher and child point of view?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

You said earlier that you already have enough on your plate and that this will be just one extra burden.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

COSLA has said that there has been no mapping, gap analysis or data collection, so the question is, how can you legislate if you have not done the prep work?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

That is really powerful feedback to the committee, particularly bearing in mind that Gavin Yates from Connect said previously that the bill could cause harm if it goes through. You have said that it could cause conflict but Gavin Yates went further. What is your view of that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Tess White

Susan used the word “danger”, Douglas mentioned the word “conflict” and we have previously heard the words “harm” and “weeds” as well as the phrase “holes in the web”. Thank you for that.

I pass back to our convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Tess White

On my point about access to justice, we already have a problem with legal aid. We have looked at only three local authorities but, for the whole of Scotland, based on the stats and the estimates, 4,000 pupils could fall into the category. There could be disputes between what a parent wants and what a child wants. We need to think about that.