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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 March 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Tess White

Professor Napier, you said that we are failing deaf women in many ways. Dr Houghton, you spoke about the power imbalance between women and the male perpetrators of domestic abuse. We have been looking at legal aid reform. One proposal that came from the Scottish Government a couple of weeks ago was to train 40 legal aid solicitors in BSL, which would mean kicking the can down the road to the next parliamentary session. What are your thoughts? Would it be a start if at least one of those solicitors was trained in BSL?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Tess White

:The Scottish Government and the committee are considering legal aid reform. That might be a good opportunity to say—as you suggested, Professor Napier—that we should train somebody who is deaf as a solicitor and start the ball rolling.

Are there any role models? Are there countries that lead the way on the matter? Often, we hear about Denmark. Professor Napier gave us an example earlier. From data, we know that, in America, deaf women are two or three times more likely to experience domestic abuse. If you look around the world, what country would you point to or are we just feeling our way forward in Scotland with no role models?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Tess White

:That creation of role models is something that the Scottish Government could take up with the Law Society as part of legal aid reform.

I am delighted that the Deputy First Minister has taken an interest in BSL since our inquiry and since we had a debate and questions in the Parliament, but there is a huge disparity between spending on Gaelic and on BSL. We have figures saying that 2.5 per cent of the population speak Gaelic and that 2.2 per cent speak—can sign language through BSL.

We are hearing today that, if you think about domestic abuse—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Tess White

:Thank you. The figures are 2.2 per cent versus 2.5 per cent, yet £30 million-plus a year is spent on Gaelic. You talk about scrabbling around for money for workshops and training a couple of people and it being great that we have Lucy. You are scrabbling around for, let us say, a few thousand pounds as opposed to the £30 million-plus a year that is spent on Gaelic. Do you have in mind a figure that you would like to start off with?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

“Sign LOUD: Perspectives of Deaf mothers and signing practitioners on domestic abuse, communication issues and the impact on Deaf families”

Meeting date: 3 March 2026

Tess White

:When it comes to legal aid reform and access to justice, there is national provision through the citizens advice bureaux, although I recognise that they are struggling for funding. At the moment, a woman who is fleeing domestic abuse cannot get legal aid, because she might be suffering financial abuse as well as coercive control. If you had more funding, rather than just a pittance, would it be possible for you to ask Citizens Advice Scotland to get some CAB advisers trained up? You could also work with the Law Society. Professor Napier, you are nodding your head.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Tess White

:Perfect—thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Tess White

:Before Kevin comes in, I want to point out that I have made freedom of information requests of 160 public sector organisations. Many of them cannot even define sex; they collect data on gender. Some of them could not give me an answer on what actions they have taken on the nine protected characteristics. One of them even said, “What do you mean by action?” My point is that the Scottish Government and 160 public sector organisations are not collecting basic data on those different protected characteristics. How can you measure outcomes if you are not collecting the base data?

I have all the FOI responses and I am very happy to share them with you. You would be shocked to see that they have come back saying that they are not collecting the data on the nine protected characteristics. Many of them cannot even define the difference between sex and gender, and they do not know what an action is.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Tess White

:I will move on. Maybe we can take the conversation offline. Would you meet with me so that I can share with you the evidence that demonstrates that the public sector organisations are not collecting that data? You can have all sorts of finders and reports, but you are not collecting the base data. If you meet with me, I will share that evidence with you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Tess White

Before I ask my main question, I want to ask the minister about the 40 traineeships that she mentioned. Those are definitely to be welcomed, so thank you for that. Will you require any of the trainees who have qualified to give back X number of years, so that, once they are qualified, they focus on legal aid rather than going into other types of law?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Tess White

:Good morning. What steps will be taken to improve the availability of intersectional and disaggregated data, given the quite significant gaps identified by civil society organisations and the Scottish Human Rights Commission?