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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 March 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

What mechanism do you think could be used to close that gap?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

We might need to do some digging on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

How can we use that analysis and understanding to improve or add to the procurement landscape? The issue links back to what you said about the failure to connect procurement and the public sector equality duty. What do you see as important in that regard? Is it about a specific conditionality or different weighting? We have talked about the price versus the social or environmental impact. Thinking specifically about procurement, what is important?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for what you have contributed so far.

I want to explore conditionality a little bit further. At the beginning, in response to some of the convener’s questions, you spoke about the disability employment gap and what more we can do in the procurement space, on that. There was also a conversation about outcomes and the balance between price, social good and impact. In making procurement work for people, how can we deal with other equalities issues? That ties back into the issue of community wealth building, as well as more general community resilience.

Pauline, do you want to kick off? Gender is one element of that, but it is not the only one.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

I am thinking not only about the disability employment gap—there are other protected characteristics and other equalities issues. Are there other elements that we should be thinking about? What other mechanisms could we use in procurement to enhance gender equality in the workplace or to draw people into a sector who would not traditionally work in that environment? Are there ways in which we should use procurement to do that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

You said that you do not often see equalities issues being talked about in procuring, and perhaps we can follow up on that in different ways.

My final question is for Martin Rhodes. This is kind of looking through the other end of the telescope from the question that Murdo Fraser asked about local economies and building and sustaining local resilience. We talk about the sustainable procurement duty, but is there enough understanding or awareness of the value of things such as fair trade? We want Scotland to be a socially and environmentally responsible nation that thinks about our impact globally, but do the guidelines and regulations allow enough of those narratives to come in? Are we thinking about those things?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

It is almost as if our weighting system is far too simplistic to be manageable.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

I understand that. I appreciate your openness towards considering how we can get better at this, because everybody would probably agree that nobody does this right. We are trying to do something quite important in Scotland in focusing on rights realisation through our budget.

My final question is linked to what you have said in reference to the Scottish child payment and tackling child poverty. How confident are you that gendered inequalities and inequalities related to other protected characteristics are being considered by the Government and the strategic leadership team in ways that look at more than just economic poverty and inequality? Are we asking each other the right questions? Have we got the right information? Are we collecting the right kind of data to understand poverty that is more than economic?