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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 October 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. That is really helpful. I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Okay. That is really helpful.

My final question is a broader one, on community engagement. Maybe it seems a little odd to ask this panel about that, but it is important to do so.

What role should the community voice have in your work and planning? When we talk about a just transition, we tend to focus on commercial activity and, to a lesser extent, on workers and the skills that are needed, and we forget that all those people live in communities. Communities are directly and indirectly affected not only by the economy but by other things that happen as a consequence of our energy economy. Where do you see the weaknesses in what we are doing in the broader just work around community engagement and hearing the community voice?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. That is helpful.

Suzanne Sosna, we have had a brief discussion about the role of SMEs. I wonder whether there is a microenterprise that we are missing that is much more community located and situated. Is there stuff in the local and very small positive impact that we are missing?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Just on that—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks.

I want to ask John Boland about community engagement. Has there been enough conversation and engagement with, and listening to, workers and the communities that they come from and support with regard to the just transition in the round?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

You mentioned remanufacturing. Do we support primary manufacturing enough in Scotland in order to not only have the associated jobs but make supply chains more reliable, resilient and adaptable, because they are locally controlled?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

John, what trade union engagement or discussions with your colleagues has there been on where support is needed to secure supply chains and make them resilient and long term?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful.

My second area of questions is around community engagement. At the start of today’s conversation, we had an interesting discussion about the definition of just transition and the role of businesses, companies, communities and workers. The just transition lab, which is based at the University of Aberdeen, talks about the integral roles of equality and wellbeing, democratic participation, and community empowerment and revitalisation—they are not nice add-on extras; they are fundamental and integral to the “just” bit of the just transition.

Staying with Maggie McGinlay, at our community engagement session last week, we had conversations about St Fittick’s park. There is a clear sense of injustice in that area. Old Torry was cleared for the oil and gas industry in the 1970s. Torry has an incinerator, and Aberdeen sewage works, and it has just lost its beach to the south harbour development. What do you see as ETZ’s role in community engagement, focusing particularly on the community justice aspect of ETZ’s operation?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good afternoon to the panel, and thank you for joining us. I want to expand on the conversations that we have had on supply chain issues. Suzanne, you said that the challenges are much greater for SMEs than they are for other businesses. You said that the margins, the flexibility, the agility and the capacity to adapt are slightly less for them. Will you say a little more about how Scottish Enterprise wants the Scottish Government to focus clearly on support for the supply chain in the energy sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 15 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I can see that Paul de Leeuw wants to come in, but I have one last question for you, Suzanne. On non-energy supply chains, you have already spoken about some of the softer stuff that is needed, but are there things that we are missing? Are there things that we are not looking at, either in the industries and sectors that support the energy sector directly or in more indirect areas such as transport or other things that we are just not thinking about?