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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Esther Roberton and I worked together when I was rector of the University of Aberdeen and she was senior governor. We are also on Scotland’s Futures Forum together.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

One of the Law Society’s contentions is that, if we went down the route of an independent regulator, it would be considerably more expensive. What is your view on that position?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

On a similar point, but looking at it from the other angle, the proposal in the bill as it stands—we expect that to change—is that there would be a role for, or accountability or a relationship to, the Scottish ministers. That impinges on the independence of the legal profession.

With a completely independent body, who would oversee the overseer, if that makes sense? There is no opportunity for that role, as we have heard, and the Government has conceded that having ministerial oversight is problematic for a whole range of reasons. Who would oversee the independent regulator?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel. Thank you for joining us and articulating so clearly the concerns that you have outlined.

Will you unpick a little more your concerns around the proposal to abolish the right of appeal to the Court of Session? What would that do, or what do you perceive that it would do, in relation to delays and the consumer experience, as well as the broader legal question at stake?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Lord Ericht, do you want to come in on that, too?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful.

I have a question about the different regulatory regimes and the proposal to split the regulators. Last week, we heard from the Law Society that such a split is not appropriate. Do you or the senators have a view on that and on whether you consider it to be the Law Society’s decision?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

No, I mean the two different types of regulators—categories 1 and 2.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that there is a point about who oversees the overseer. I wonder whether that is the root of some of what the Roberton report was trying to get at. You have made the case clearly that what is proposed is inappropriate. We have Esther Roberton coming in next, so we can ask her about that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

You talked about a legal standards board. Would you see that as the equivalent to the Legal Services Board in England?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks very much, convener. My declaration relates to item 6 on our agenda. As I said at last week’s meeting, I am a board member of North East Scotland Climate Action Network hub, and I am a delegate to the Aberdeen Trades Union Council.