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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 6 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

Do you see that linking to other regional strategic work, such as the work that is happening within the regional economic partnerships? Specifically with regard to the just transition fund, have you had those kinds of conversations at the regional economic partnership level?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 6 November 2023

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Is that work happening? Are you supporting communities to bring their expertise forward? We are talking about bringing expertise and experience together in different ways. What structures are preventing you from doing that? We have heard about funding, and I know that there will be other questions about funding. What structures are preventing you from doing that in an effective way? If we dealt with those issues, would we be able to get that cross-community collaboration and, rather than genuine consultation, genuine co-production of a long-term strategy for the just transition?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful; thank you.

Andrew Tickell, my last question is for you. I would like to hear your thoughts on how to ensure that we offer guidance and support to duty bearers and other service providers without that leading to a focus on the litigation elements, for organisational protection or for a range of other reasons that we have already discussed. What are your thoughts and comments on how we can best avoid that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

I have a similar question for Derek Frew. On the capacity issues that you highlighted, will you provide some detail on how you envisage dealing with some of those complexities to do with the gaps arising from the mismatch between reality and expectation that your colleagues might face, as well as the people whom you are looking to support?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

It is helpful. You make a clear ask for clear and detailed guidance. Given the conversations that have happened to date, do you have concerns at the moment that that guidance will be fuzzy or absent? Are there things that you would like us, as the scrutinising committee, to make very clear recommendations about? It is all very well to say that we want clear guidance, but it is important to understand what we mean by clear guidance.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Juliet. That is really clear.

It is clear that this is a journey, as you have said, and that we are not stopping here. Are there approaches or things that you and your members would like to see done either by the Scottish Government or by other duty bearers? I recognise that many of your members are duty bearers, too. Even if things are not completely covered—although we hope that coverage will increase over time—what approaches can we take and what guidance are you looking for to ensure that we have that overview?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

I am sure that the conversations about exactly what needs to be in the guidance will carry on. I will leave it there for now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, panel. Thank you for being here and for your written contributions and your contributions today. I want to pick up on a couple of the legal complexity issues that Paul O’Kane and Meghan Gallacher have highlighted.

Juliet, you said that children and young people do not need to know which laws are being breached where things are going wrong, but that they need to know what their rights are. Because of the partial coverage that we will have with the proposed amendments, there will be gaps. Are you or any of your members concerned that those gaps will lead to a mismatch of expectation and reality with regard to how we tackle issues when there is a breach and something goes wrong?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

My next question is for Jan Savage and Nicola Killean. I ask Jan to comment first. As commissioners, you will be given additional responsibilities and powers through the bill. This issue will be important as we look ahead to the human rights legislation, too. How will the amended bill affect your current work? What additional resources, expertise and skills will you and your organisations need to make sure that, when you are required to take legal action, you can do so in a meaningful way?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Maggie Chapman

Fiona, do you want to comment, given the statutory obligations that the Law Society has? Do you see any need for thinking differently in your work?