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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

I want to explore an issue that Evelyn Tweed raised. We know that a lot of effort is put into thinking about procurement as delivering positive social, economic and environmental outcomes, as well as providing the goods and services that you all need to fulfil your functions. I am curious as to how you see those outcomes being set and determined, and about your role as procuring agents in those discussions.

Do you have clear lines of conversation with other agencies or internally in your organisations on how you can use your procurement power to tackle gender inequality, for instance? How do you see the setting or aspiration of the procurement outcomes that are not about service delivery or getting the stuff that you need?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful, thank you.

You have all talked about the need for internal consistency with regard to training and awareness raising to ensure that people understand the idea of trying to procure for good. This might be a difficult question to answer briefly, but how often do you find that the positive outcomes that we have been talking about—the promotion of ethical goods, fair work and gender equality, the reduction of inequality and so on—are sacrificed because of cost? Also, how much of that sacrifice could be allayed by the improved consistency and coherence of training and awareness raising with regard to the longer-term social and environmental benefits of procurement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

Great—thanks.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to you both. Thank you for joining us and for what you have said so far.

I want to explore some of the equalities issues that Lindsey Millen mentioned earlier. Lindsey, you said in response to a previous question that there is a distinction between using procurement, or the mechanisms that procurement enables, for tackling or addressing gender inequalities compared to equalities more generally. Will you unpack that a bit more? Are any of the mechanisms ever in conflict with each other in looking at different groups that we might want to be focused on?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

David Livey, do you want to comment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

You talked about supporting conditionality as long as grant funders recognise that they need to provide the resources for that. What is your assessment of the extent to which grant givers and other funders understand full cost recovery? Do they understand the extent of what that means for charities and the different types of organisation that SCVO represents?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

There is a gap there for us to close.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

What is your assessment of why procurement is being used when grant funding or other mechanisms, such as service level agreements, could be used?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

What is the reason for the lack of use of reserved contracts? Is that simply because they have not been talked about? Procurement has a lot of stuff built into it and around it, so there is some work—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

When it comes to the mechanism that could be used for that, do you think that the proportions that are given to certain criteria in the sustainable procurement duty would be the most effective way of enhancing the value that is given to sustainable procurement?