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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that was helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good afternoon, and thank you for being here. I have a quick follow-up to Fulton MacGregor’s question. Will there be an opportunity to scrutinise or have a look at the guidance that you mentioned before it comes into operation, if that makes sense?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Okay—thank you.

I have a couple of other questions. The first, which is on data, is a follow-up to Rona Mackay’s question. You indicated that you will take a snapshot sample to see how decisions have been made in order to ensure consistency. Given the numbers involved, would it not be better to take an overall look at all the data across the whole estate, to better understand not only the consistency of the policy’s application but the impacts on trans prisoners and other prisoners, and to do so on a regular basis, instead of just taking a snapshot after a year?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Would instances of that happening be recorded?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that. Things will change over the operation of the plan, as society changes, so it would be useful to have on-going monitoring and evaluation of the policy.

I also want to ask about the searching of prisoners and visitors. The policy refers to the searching of visitors. When do you envisage that that would be necessary? When might a visitor be searched by a member of prison staff of a different gender from that of the visitor?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I suppose—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

This is a particular point: engagement happens, communities tell the Government what they want or what they think should happen, but nothing changes. We must address that problem. It is linked to a sense that communities can jump up and down all they like, but it is the usual suspects who get their way. I heard what you said about needing to see progress and change and then people will realise the benefits, but I am not sure that communities are clear how that change will happen with their involvement or how it will not just be the usual suspects—the players who are already active and powerful in the region—who have the final word, if you like.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I get that. We are just a couple of years into the process, and I hear what you say about the participatory budgeting fund. I know that other people want to speak about that specifically. There have been questions about the balance of that compared with the rest of it, but I will let others cover that.

One of the challenges, which you have spoken about, is wanting, and having the ambition to have, a co-created just transition process that is about more than just energy. It is really an economic transition that we are looking at which will affect every aspect of people’s lives.

There is a question that community groups and communities have. When they say that something is not working, they do not necessarily see policies changing, whether that is in local government or national Government. They say, “We want this to happen in our community,” and the policies around them do not join up. They do not enable or facilitate. There is frustration about not only the lack of trust that we have spoken about but about things not being joined up. It is not necessarily about resource; it is about approach.

How are your conversations going with local authorities and other public agencies in the region and with Government itself about making sure that things are joined up and that we are getting away from the siloing of planning or whatever? If it is not just energy that we are focused on—I think that we all agree that it cannot be—how are we making sure that we think across departments and do not end up with siloed disconnect?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister. Thank you for joining us this morning.

I have a few questions about community participation and community engagement, and the issues that they have brought to us. We were in Aberdeen for a day at the start of the inquiry to speak to community groups, and we also had one of our committee meetings in Aberdeen. We heard from people who work directly with community groups or facilitate their work—that included local authorities—and one of the things that they said quite clearly was that trust in their aims and ambitions is pretty low. There are a lot of fine words around what they mean, and we all share the endeavour when it comes to that point. We know the end point, but we do not know how to get there. There is a lack of trust in communities and community groups about the direction of travel. How have you answered the challenge of the lack of trust that community groups have not necessarily in the Scottish Government itself but in the whole just transition process?

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