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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
You talked about the lack of connection to the whole purpose of the duty, which is to drive change, and you mentioned resourcing and competence. Do you think that those are the two issues that are working together to create that disconnect, or are there other things going on as well?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Pauline, do you want to come in?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Thank you. Those specific suggestions on new duties are really helpful.
Lindsey Millen talked earlier about significant failures even to meet basic duties across different groups. Clearly, Close the Gap’s view is that something is missing, and that the public sector equality duty is not delivering outcomes. Is it your view, too, that the PSED cannot deliver the outcomes? Is it only an implementation issue, or is it bigger than that?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Okay. Thanks, Lindsey. Jill Wood, I ask you the same question about fostering good relations.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Good morning. Thank you for joining us and for your comments so far.
The difference between the presentations that you are giving us and what we heard last week is quite stark. To an extent, that is one of the reasons why we are undertaking this inquiry. Without the opportunities that we were hoping for during the human rights bill discussions, the PSED is something that we can focus on. We can look at where the duties are not being met.
I was interested in what Clare Gallagher said in her answer to Karen Adam’s question. We are failing on the intersectional aspects and we are failing to understand the complexities of the duties. Do you see that failure as being because the focus is on the process rather than on the outcome? Does that need to be addressed in the reforms? Others around the table will explore the reforms in more detail later, but is the reason for failure that distinction between process and outcomes?
09:45Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Do you think that some of that is down to a lack of data or to not collecting the right type of data?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Thanks very much. Others want to come in on the subject, too, so I will leave it at that.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Do the reforms that are currently under discussion go far enough?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Thanks, Jatin.
I ask the same question of Jill Wood, about the gap between process and outcome, and whether the PSED is delivering the outcomes that it was thought it could deliver.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Maggie Chapman
Thanks very much. Jatin—I see that you want to come back in.