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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I really appreciate the comments of the panel so far this morning.

You have all touched on the importance of accountability and I want to delve into that in a little bit more detail. You have said that it is sometimes difficult to follow the money, and the convener made a comment there about issues with siloing. Could you give us your views on the links that you see or do not see within the budget documentation and process, the links to programme for Government asks and, importantly, the national performance framework? Are we closing the gaps? Are there clear lines of accountability at different levels of government? I will go to Heather Williams first.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

There is some work to do by looking back and understanding so that we can focus and make those links. I will leave it there.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (Tourism and Hospitality)

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

You talked about the Fair Work Convention work that you are all contributing to in different ways. What is your sense of how industrial relations are across your sectors and your members?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (Tourism and Hospitality)

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, panel. Thank you for being with us this morning.

I want to follow on from Evelyn Tweed’s line of questioning. We have talked about lots of issues that affect the workforce and the attractiveness of the sectors, such as payment of the living wage, skills, training, immigration issues, housing and transport.

Marc Crothall, you have spoken about—including in your submission to the committee—making the sector more attractive, and you have said that you have the fastest acceleration to payment of the real living wage. Given that hospitality and tourism are the lowest-paid sectors in our economy, does there need to be greater emphasis on pay? Would that help with the shortages that you have described? Are those shortages across the board in different types of jobs or are they in specific areas in the sector? On the question of the real living wage, my view is that it should not be something that we should aspire to; it should be taken for granted.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (Tourism and Hospitality)

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I am sorry; I asked too many questions in one. Are the shortages from the lowest paid all the way up?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (Tourism and Hospitality)

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Geographically, it is rural areas that are struggling most.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (Tourism and Hospitality)

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

My final question is about completing the circle. I think that we are all guilty of focusing on one issue and not necessarily seeing the connections. You talked about the geographical variations in skills and labour shortages, challenges around languages that are being taught in schools, and challenges around rural housing and transport. All of those require public money and public investment, which comes from taxation, so there is a balance to be struck.

We have heard a lot this morning about how taxes are too high. If we were not to have those taxes, we would not have any of the public investment in education, schools, transport and the other things that support people to live where you need them to live in order for them to work where you need them to work. Are you involved in any conversations about the broader picture of our nation’s economy, rather than sector-specific ones about the levers that affect specific sectors? Are conversations taking place about how pulling those levers in a certain place would affect things in a different area and have indirect consequences, sometimes pretty far down the line?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 (Tourism and Hospitality)

Meeting date: 24 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

To get those things, we need taxation.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Another thing that you mentioned in response to one of Colin Smyth’s questions was that the UK is cutting emissions faster than elsewhere. One of the questions that the just transition commission raised was around how we ensure that, as Grangemouth shifts away from refining, we do not offshore our emissions that have been associated with Grangemouth, with those emissions taking place elsewhere. What is your answer to the just transition commission on offshoring emissions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister, and thank you for joining us. I will follow on from Colin Smyth’s questions. In your opening statement, you mentioned maintaining opportunities for communities in the Grangemouth area, and, in response to the previous question, you said that there is on-going work with Falkirk Council to support communities, in particular. Will you say a bit more about that? What specific work is the UK Government involved in to support not only the workers who are directly employed by and affected by Grangemouth but the wider Grangemouth community?