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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning. I thank the witnesses for what they have said so far.

I want to follow up on the tension between price sustainability and the different weightings. With the sustainable procurement duty, is there a mechanism by which longer-term value or longer-term outcomes can be incorporated, or, as things stand, is it just a case of the system saying, “This is the value now and this is the weighting now”? We do not or cannot collect data, and we cannot project forward. Colin Smith talked about alternatives. If we took a longer-term look—over five years, for example—would we get those outcomes? Would that help to provide some balance?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Joanne Davidson mentioned fair work earlier. Do we understand what subcontractors and secondary contractors do in a way that allows us to understand the genuine benefits of what we are trying to do?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

We are looking at the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 and thinking about what we want to see, given that the world is a very different place now to what it was in 2014. How could we use procurement to tackle things like the gendered nature of different employment sectors or the inaccessibility of different sectors to disabled people, whether as workers or as suppliers? Are there things that we could, and should, look at to make the legislation deliver what we want for Scotland as a whole? Joanne Davidson might want to kick off on that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Are we missing a trick, especially given the urgency with which we all need to tackle certain issues that are no single authority’s or agency’s responsibility? I am thinking of issues such as reducing inequality and dealing with the climate emergency. Are there issues that we are missing not only because we are asking for the wrong information or too much of certain types of information, but because we are not allowing for weighting flexibility? We have spoken about the 75 per cent threshold. Would you say that that is what needs to change if the environmental, climate emergency or reducing inequality targets are to be much more meaningful?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Colin, I know that you have to leave, so I come to you next.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

I have another question about that, which will take us off on another tangent.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

Okay. I will follow up on that theme. I have a question about the broader social benefits that we are supposed to get from procurement changes and improvements, with a focus on reducing inequality. Do we—the Government or whoever—collect data on what contractors and subcontractors are doing and what their supply chains are? Do we know about the environmental and social impacts or whether there is a focus on reducing inequality? Are we collecting the right data? If not, whose responsibility is it to do so? Who can bring all of that together, given what has been said about the burden of bureaucracy and all the administration?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

When you say more engagement, with whom? What should the committee recommend?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

I will come back to you, Colin, as the question has moved on. Are there any other things that you wish to say in response?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 7 February 2024

Maggie Chapman

My final question—