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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel; thank you for joining us this morning.

I will follow on from Brian Whittle’s questions and come back to you, Vikki. You talked about the case studies in the report that the FSB published a couple of years ago. Do you get the sense that there is an appetite among your members to learn and to share information about what works, how easy it was and where the challenges were? You have all spoken about employers’ uncertainties, fears and worry about the cost of employing disabled people. How can we overcome the barriers that might just be barriers of perception rather than reality?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I turn to Heather Fisken. Following on from that, where do you see the gaps in the national plans and strategies for the ambition of halving the disability employment gap? Is there enough co-ordination? Are people talking to each other? Do we have the structures of the plans and strategies right, in your view?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I have a similar question for Chirsty McFadyen. I very much take to heart Heather Fisken’s challenge, in that halving the disability employment gap is not ambitious enough. Where have you identified the gaps or the lack of co-ordination across the strategies and plans?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That has been really helpful. One of the challenges is that, although really good work might be happening in different parts of government—from local government all the way through to the United Kingdom level—things might not be being joined up.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That was really helpful. Whose responsibility is it to do that engagement work with small businesses to make sure that they know that it is not as big and scary as they might think it is? Are the FSB, other business organisations and government at different levels joined up enough? Are we closing the loops and connecting each other in the right way in our approach to narrowing the disability employment gap?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. You raise an interesting point on the ambitions to halve the disability employment gap. Does the focus on the easy-to-win ambitions further marginalise from the labour market people with much more complex needs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I come to Elizabeth Baird. How do we ensure that we make the most of what you are telling us is a good system?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I come to David McCallum. Given the work that you do with all 32 local authorities, you get a whole Scotland picture. What are we missing here?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that that enables you to deal with the tension that we have identified exists between providing an inclusive service that is open to everybody and meeting bespoke needs. I know that other members might want to ask about specific areas of need or groups of disabled people with specific needs, but do we have the agility to say, “Come all, but here is a bespoke service for you”?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. You have all touched on this in different ways. Earlier this morning, we heard from representatives of LEPs and local authorities that they thought that there were robust structures and processes in place regarding employability services for disabled people, and that capacity and sustained funding were the key issues in preventing us from tackling the disability employment gap. From what you have said, I get the feeling that you do not think that the employability system is working as well as it should be. Are there structures or processes that we need to transform or change, or to get rid of or replace, in order that we can do what we all want to do, which is to free you up to focus on supporting people into employment?