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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

HIV: Addressing Stigma and Eliminating Transmission

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

I will come to Daniela Brawley next. Dan Clutterbuck mentioned the training materials and resources that NHS Grampian has developed. Can you say something about how they are used? If you have an evaluation, can you say whether they have been successful in tackling stigma within the profession?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

HIV: Addressing Stigma and Eliminating Transmission

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks for that, Daniela.

I will come to Kirsty Roy. With regard to your public health role, how is stigma best tackled in terms of connection to communities and the professionals who work in communities?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning. Thank you for joining us this and for your contributions so far.

I want to extend the conversation to look at how we can better use procurement to deliver the social and other policy outcomes that we might wish to deliver. Fair work and gender pay have already been mentioned. Melanie Mackenzie, in response to the convener’s first question, talked about the considerations that you would give to environmental and fair work issues, for example. Will you say a bit more about that and how you balance the regulatory and legislative requirements of procurement with those policy objectives?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

Do you pull demographic and socioeconomic data into that decision-making process at the local level?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. That is helpful.

Lynette Robertson mentioned gender inequality issues. Is procurement a vehicle for tackling social inequalities? What are the barriers to doing that? What do we need to do better?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

The monitoring system that you have talked about comes with a not-insignificant overhead. Are there economies of scale that we might consider, if not across the whole of Scotland then at least regionally, in understanding what kinds of monitoring, data collection and evaluation are required, or does monitoring have to carried out on an authority-by-authority basis, given local variation and specificities?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

I want to explore an issue that Evelyn Tweed raised. We know that a lot of effort is put into thinking about procurement as delivering positive social, economic and environmental outcomes, as well as providing the goods and services that you all need to fulfil your functions. I am curious as to how you see those outcomes being set and determined, and about your role as procuring agents in those discussions.

Do you have clear lines of conversation with other agencies or internally in your organisations on how you can use your procurement power to tackle gender inequality, for instance? How do you see the setting or aspiration of the procurement outcomes that are not about service delivery or getting the stuff that you need?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful, thank you.

You have all talked about the need for internal consistency with regard to training and awareness raising to ensure that people understand the idea of trying to procure for good. This might be a difficult question to answer briefly, but how often do you find that the positive outcomes that we have been talking about—the promotion of ethical goods, fair work and gender equality, the reduction of inequality and so on—are sacrificed because of cost? Also, how much of that sacrifice could be allayed by the improved consistency and coherence of training and awareness raising with regard to the longer-term social and environmental benefits of procurement?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

Great—thanks.

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Maggie Chapman

How would you decide how to weight those different considerations? Are you saying, “Right, in this works contract, we really need these social or environmental outcomes”? You said that you might write such considerations into the contract, but how else might you determine exactly the sort of fluffy outcomes that you are looking for?