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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, panel. Thank you very much for joining us.

I want to carry on the line of questioning about the impact on NGOs and individuals who might be seeking redress and access to justice. Ben Christman gave the example of the John Muir Trust, which faced a bill of more than £120,000 after having lost a case. Do people find barriers other than costs to accessing justice, and are they different for NGOs, community groups and individuals? Can you give us a flavour of the types of barriers that different types of people who might be seeking litigation face?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

You said that not everybody is eligible to access legal aid, so that could be a barrier. I will leave it there for now, but I might come back in later.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

That point about looking holistically and aiming for cohesion is really useful, because it is easy to get fixated on one little issue in one place and not think about the bigger picture.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. It is important to get that on the record.

I will shift to a couple of different questions.

What is your view on the arguments put by the Environmental Rights Centre for Scotland that the SCJC does not consult very widely, or widely enough, on court rules that are intended to allow access to justice in environmental cases?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Aarhus Convention

Meeting date: 12 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

I appreciate the constraints that you feel under in answering some of our questions, as the subject covers more than two portfolios; it is quite a broad area. We heard clearly from our first panel this morning about the need to examine the whole process of justice. In your opening comments, you outlined the three pillars, one of which is about accessing the information.

Is there anything that you can say about what the Scottish Government is doing to look at the three pillars in a holistic way to see where the elements are? Access is your job; some of the other pillars will be down to planning, local government or environment. How is the Government looking at the subject holistically?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

I have a final quick question. What is your view on the ask for gender equality to be included in one of the national outcomes in order to bring us in line with the sustainable development goals—in particular, SDG 5—and international best practice?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

I will elaborate a little bit. We are talking about how we ensure equalities understanding across different Government departments, strategies and ways of working. However, certain data sets are not incorporated into the national outcomes, including data relating to issues such as homelessness and fuel poverty, which, when they go wrong, have fundamental human rights implications. Given the absence of data integration, what do you need in order to be able to meet those outcomes?

There is also an issue about the failure to connect the dots and the need for transparency and understanding, so that people are not making a decision relating to one area that they know will have an effect on another area but are not telling anyone about that.

I am trying to understand the minister’s sense of how we are using the data sets that we have, given the structures of the national outcomes, the NPF, SDGs and all of that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister, and thank you for joining us. I have a couple of questions on some of the bigger-picture stuff that you highlighted when you talked about the embedding of equalities and human rights across the Government’s decision-making. Last week and previously, we heard about some of the disconnect between how we understand the national outcomes and their relationships to national performance framework structures and the sustainable development goals. What work is under way to ensure that we connect those different processes, tools and frameworks? Part of that question is: do we have the data?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to you both. Thank you for joining us this morning; I am sorry that I am not in the room with you. My question follows on from the previous ones. A couple of years ago, the Scottish Government committed to a very clear approach that linked policy development more effectively with budget decisions and vice versa, and to longer-term financial planning. We know that the most effective place to ensure that the views of those with lived experience are considered is in portfolio, while the policies are being developed, rather than after the fact.

Alison Hosie, I will come to you first. Do you get a sense that there has been that recognition and that policy development and budget decisions are better linked? That was one of EHRBAG’s recommendations. There have been challenges, which you have outlined. Will you say a little bit more about whether you think that the Scottish Government is making progress on those commitments?