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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

May I unpick that a little bit and maybe broaden it out? You are saying that without accountability people would not have the legal right to health, which seems like a pretty stark statement. We are in the 21st century in a country that says that it takes the human rights of its citizens and all who live here seriously, so where are the gaps in the legislative landscape or the policy landscape? Are they around accountability? Are they around implementation? Are they around design? How have we got things so wrong for the people whom the charter that you have spoken of is designed to help, and for other people including disabled people, people of colour and other groups of people whose rights have not been realised?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Katie, can I come to you?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I turn to John Wilkes. What difference do you think that such a bill could or should make to Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Do you want to say anything more about the powers, or should I move seamlessly on to Angela O’Hagan?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that was helpful.

I turn to Angela O’Hagan. Given where the SHRC has been over the past several years, not only in the bill process but in the work that you have undertaken to focus on areas of failure, which I suppose is what we are talking about, what difference would the bill have made? Why were so many hopes pinned on it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I could go on, but I probably should not do so. I simply want to highlight what you said about the fact that all of us in this place are guarantors of everybody’s human rights. I do not think that all 129 of us think of ourselves in that way, and maybe we need to.

10:30  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Alan. That point about culture was raised a few times earlier, as well. It is clearly very important.

11:30  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Will you elaborate on that a little? You talked about the failures of the current equalities mechanisms and said that the duties do not actually work because they are too narrow. You also said something about the challenges of mainstreaming and how we understand that. We heard earlier from Angela O’Hagan about some of the failures of mainstreaming in the broad rights and equalities landscape. How could the proposed legislation have allowed us to take a view that was not different to mainstreaming but would enable that embedding—I was going to use the word “foundationing”; sorry, that is a terrible word—that would make us take human rights and equality seriously from the start rather than see them as an add-on or as something fluffy and extra down the line?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

The committee has talked about the fact that certain groups of people might have easier or better access to rights than others. Does Amnesty face particular challenges in the work that it does with immigrants—people who have come here for a range of reasons, by choice or otherwise—that such a bill could have supported you with? We talk about human rights as a universal concept, but we do not apply human rights universally. Could you say a bit more about that?