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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

No, go for it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Does anyone else want to pick up on that point?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Jan. Your point about the work that the Finance and Public Administration Committee is doing is well made. We will look with interest at the additional material that you send it—if you could also share it with us, that would be great.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. We have not been able to get Marie McNair back online. Are there any final points or comments that you want us to we hear before you leave?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2024 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have apologies this morning from our convener, Karen Adam, and from Annie Wells.

Our first agenda item is an evidence-taking session on the Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill, and I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I am very pleased to welcome to our meeting Dr Arun Chopra, executive medical director, Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; Stephanie Griffin, Scotland policy manager, Equality and Human Rights Commission; Nick Hobbs, head of advice and investigations, Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; and Jan Savage, executive director, Scottish Human Rights Commission. Thank you for your time and attendance.

I invite each of you to provide a brief opening statement before we move to questions. We will start with Dr Chopra.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Stephanie Griffin, in your opening remarks, you talked about the extent of the EHRC’s powers. Where do you see problems with implementation and accountability? Has the EHRC had any thoughts about examining that area in detail?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Is there anything else from Paul O’Kane? I see that he is happy with that. We had Marie McNair online to ask a couple of questions, but she dropped off. Have we been able to get her back? I see that we have not. If we can get her on in the next couple of minutes, we will. In the meantime, I will carry on.

In our conversations so far, there have been a couple of questions specifically on participation and engagement with different groups of disabled people and members of the diverse and varied disability community across Scotland. Where do you think that the challenges lie in having a commissioner in this area?

I suppose that that follows on from what Meghan Gallacher was talking about, with regard to how we understand disability in the round. Rather than having a disability commissioner, how would you see us tackle some of the potential tensions, and perhaps even conflicts, within the whole context for disabled people in Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. Stephanie, is there anything that you would like to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Your point about sharing information is interesting. We have not really touched on the barriers to sharing information across existing organisations, never mind an additional one, so that is something for us to consider as well.

Given what you said about participation, as the committee progresses through its gathering of evidence at stage 1, are there people, groups or organisations that you think we absolutely must talk to and that we must ensure are on our list over the coming weeks? Do you have any suggestions or ideas?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

My colleagues will pick up on potential overlaps and duplications, but, if we do agree about having a disability commissioner, is the SHRC concerned that certain commissions or commissioners will potentially have powers that the national human rights institution does not have? Does that cause the SHRC concern?