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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. We have not been able to get Marie McNair back online. Are there any final points or comments that you want us to we hear before you leave?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and welcome to the 14th meeting in 2024 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have apologies this morning from our convener, Karen Adam, and from Annie Wells.

Our first agenda item is an evidence-taking session on the Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill, and I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I am very pleased to welcome to our meeting Dr Arun Chopra, executive medical director, Mental Welfare Commission for Scotland; Stephanie Griffin, Scotland policy manager, Equality and Human Rights Commission; Nick Hobbs, head of advice and investigations, Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; and Jan Savage, executive director, Scottish Human Rights Commission. Thank you for your time and attendance.

I invite each of you to provide a brief opening statement before we move to questions. We will start with Dr Chopra.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Stephanie Griffin, in your opening remarks, you talked about the extent of the EHRC’s powers. Where do you see problems with implementation and accountability? Has the EHRC had any thoughts about examining that area in detail?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Is there anything else from Paul O’Kane? I see that he is happy with that. We had Marie McNair online to ask a couple of questions, but she dropped off. Have we been able to get her back? I see that we have not. If we can get her on in the next couple of minutes, we will. In the meantime, I will carry on.

In our conversations so far, there have been a couple of questions specifically on participation and engagement with different groups of disabled people and members of the diverse and varied disability community across Scotland. Where do you think that the challenges lie in having a commissioner in this area?

I suppose that that follows on from what Meghan Gallacher was talking about, with regard to how we understand disability in the round. Rather than having a disability commissioner, how would you see us tackle some of the potential tensions, and perhaps even conflicts, within the whole context for disabled people in Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. Stephanie, is there anything that you would like to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

Your point about sharing information is interesting. We have not really touched on the barriers to sharing information across existing organisations, never mind an additional one, so that is something for us to consider as well.

Given what you said about participation, as the committee progresses through its gathering of evidence at stage 1, are there people, groups or organisations that you think we absolutely must talk to and that we must ensure are on our list over the coming weeks? Do you have any suggestions or ideas?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Disability Commissioner (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2024

Maggie Chapman

My colleagues will pick up on potential overlaps and duplications, but, if we do agree about having a disability commissioner, is the SHRC concerned that certain commissions or commissioners will potentially have powers that the national human rights institution does not have? Does that cause the SHRC concern?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

It goes back to the questions around enterprise support and innovation and that link. One of the challenges—Kevin Stewart probably knows some examples of this, as well—is that engineers who are working in renewables need financial support to develop their prototypes and ideas, but they only get it for a limited time and some such things take a few years to develop. Is there a body of work that has been done, or is there work that could be done, on ensuring that we support the innovative people who want to be part of delivery of the outcomes that you were talking about? Is there a way to think more creatively about how we can allow those people to focus on their innovations and be able to live at the same time?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

It is sometimes one or two people.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Scottish Government Priorities

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that. Moving on to the green industrial strategy and the just transition, I hear what you say about the restrictions on what you can say during the purdah period. However, already this morning, you have talked about cross-Government working and the need for a strong economy to support our ambitions—you talked about ambitions in relation to health, education and apprenticeships in response to Brian Whittle’s questions. Do you see the green industrial strategy as being an overarching economic approach, or as being more to do with specific and narrowly focused—not in a bad way—objectives and aims?