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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Maggie Chapman

I will elaborate a little bit. We are talking about how we ensure equalities understanding across different Government departments, strategies and ways of working. However, certain data sets are not incorporated into the national outcomes, including data relating to issues such as homelessness and fuel poverty, which, when they go wrong, have fundamental human rights implications. Given the absence of data integration, what do you need in order to be able to meet those outcomes?

There is also an issue about the failure to connect the dots and the need for transparency and understanding, so that people are not making a decision relating to one area that they know will have an effect on another area but are not telling anyone about that.

I am trying to understand the minister’s sense of how we are using the data sets that we have, given the structures of the national outcomes, the NPF, SDGs and all of that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to you both. Thank you for joining us this morning; I am sorry that I am not in the room with you. My question follows on from the previous ones. A couple of years ago, the Scottish Government committed to a very clear approach that linked policy development more effectively with budget decisions and vice versa, and to longer-term financial planning. We know that the most effective place to ensure that the views of those with lived experience are considered is in portfolio, while the policies are being developed, rather than after the fact.

Alison Hosie, I will come to you first. Do you get a sense that there has been that recognition and that policy development and budget decisions are better linked? That was one of EHRBAG’s recommendations. There have been challenges, which you have outlined. Will you say a little bit more about whether you think that the Scottish Government is making progress on those commitments?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Alison Hosie, do you want to come back in on that quickly?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

That very much chimes with evidence that we heard last year in our budget work around policy coherence, and with what we heard from the earlier panel this morning. Do you think there is an understanding of the importance of that coherence work across the piece? You talked about shorter and longer-term impacts and unforeseen consequences. Do you think there is that understanding of how things work together? Do the national outcomes perhaps provide a framework whereby we can start looking at whole-picture things rather than the silos and compartmentalised decision making that we have seen?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Sara Cowan, I will come to you with a similar question. Where is progress on the specific recommendations around impact assessments and awareness-raising of those issues?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, folks. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, panel, and thank you for joining us. I am sorry not to be with you in person. My question follows on from Lewis Ryder-Jones’s points about policy coherence. Catherine Robertson mentioned in her opening remarks the need for policy coherence and said that the NPF’s effectiveness could be undermined by a lack of that. I am interested in your views on whether, with the NPF and whatever outcomes come out of it after the review, we will have the capabilities and the equipment to tackle inequalities, given our failings on policy coherence to date. Does Catherine Robertson want to pick that up first?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful—thank you. Does Lewis Ryder-Jones have anything to add?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I will pick up on one point and explore it a bit further. You talked about some of the ambitions. A lot of hope from across civil society and different sectors was pinned on the human rights legislation. Given that we seem to have lost that galvanising force because the legislation is not being brought forward, how do you see human rights in the NPF? What are the risks for the framework and for actually tackling equalities and human rights injustices?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 29 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I come to Catherine Murphy with a similar question. Given policy coherence failures, how well equipped is the NPF to tackle inequalities?