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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you, minister—that is helpful. In your opening remarks, you talked about the competence and capability training that is happening. At the heart of what we are talking about here is prevention—that goes back to Campbell Christie’s principles of prevention, which are now more than 10 years old but which still require a lot of work to be implemented.

You also talked about the need for cultural and behaviour change. I suppose that there are some challenges in that regard because when people are at a point of crisis, and they are being made increasingly ill, homeless or worse, there is not always a mechanism for saying, “We can see exactly what we need to do—how do we do that?” That is not necessarily about resource but about transparency and accountability, which you also talked about in your opening comments.

Maybe we can pick the subject up after the meeting. There are some specific questions that it is not appropriate for me to ask here, but I would be interested to pick some of them up with you after the meeting.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. Can I have a final question, convener?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Maggie Chapman

This will be the last one from me. Given what you have said about the value of quantitative and qualitative data and lived experience, can you explain why engagement and participation were largely absent from this year’s budget process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Maggie Chapman

When we debated the original statutory instruments last autumn, I moved a motion to annul them all, because of the barriers that Citizens Advice Scotland and others said that increased fees would create. Given that the order will amend one of those instruments and my motion to annul clearly did not go anywhere, I am not going to challenge it at this point.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 February 2025

Maggie Chapman

I will leave it there, convener.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Maggie Chapman

I thank the minister for lodging her amendments in the group. I support them all. However, I put on the record the comments that we have all received from the SSDT. It welcomes the changes and acknowledges that they are a product of many positive conversations, but it has pointed out that, because the changes are being made at this stage, some people may not have been able to fully assess the impact of the amendments.

Will the minister agree to have conversations about that with the SSDT and the committee before stage 3? I suggest that, once we have the bill as amended at stage 2, the committee ensures that all stakeholders that are affected by the amendments have had time to explore them in advance of stage 3, because we are making some significant changes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Maggie Chapman

I understand what the minister is saying about the complexities and potential challenges that could be produced if the register were made mandatory. However, she said that, with a voluntary register, consumers would have choice in selecting a provider from that register. How should the existence of that register be communicated to consumers so that they are aware that there is a kitemark? I do not see that as an automatic consequence of having a voluntary register.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 28 January 2025

Maggie Chapman

I thank the minister for the engagement that we have had on my amendments 539 and 540 in this group. The substantive amendment is 540, and amendment 539 would enable it to happen. I also thank the consumer panel and the SLCC for their correspondence on the issue, and I note their strong support for the amendments.

The consumer panel remains concerned that there is not always clarity about what would be sufficient resourcing, and it is looking to similar panels elsewhere that have funding and where there is administrative and secretariat support. There needs to be an on-going conversation between the SLCC and the consumer panel to ensure that there is a shared understanding on that. I would welcome hearing the minister’s view on that in her closing speech.

Amendments 539 and 540 will help to ensure that there is funding for the consumer panel to do the work that it needs to do. We need to ensure that the funding is sufficient and transparent. The panel is concerned that it might be seen as optional and discretionary, so we need a clear statement on that this morning. We have heard from the minister that it is the Scottish Government’s intent that the panel be adequately funded to do the job that it needs to do, and that is the committee’s intent, too.

I ask colleagues to support the two amendments in my name. I will support the other amendments in the group, which are in the name of the minister.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister. With regard to amendments 40, 41 and 42, the named regulatory authorities need carry out their regulatory duty only so far as practicable. Can you say more about the general understanding of the term, “so far as practicable”, so that we have clarity on that point?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I thought that it would be helpful to have that on the record.