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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. Rachel O’Neill, do you want to come in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

My final question for you, Avril, is about the NAG. Would it be feasible for that to help to support the second plan as it goes through? Could we establish NAG part 2 now and have it make robust and important interventions to the second plan?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Does the second plan even attempt to address those things or is it largely silent on them?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We have started talking about the national BSL plans, and I am interested in people’s views on the second plan. We know that it recognises key issues for many BSL users, but there are concerns that it lacks focus and does not have measurable goals or timescales. You have already alluded to some of that in your opening comments, but there is also a criticism that it was watered down compared to the draft that people saw initially. Lucy Clark, what are your views of the second national plan?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I know that Avril Hepner wants to come back in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is really helpful—thank you. Following on from that, are there things in the plan that need to be prioritised and should happen first? I know that, broadly speaking, certain things will happen in the first year or the second year and so on. However, being strategic, and in the mapping or analysis of what is missing, are there things that need to be prioritised?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

It is almost as if mainstreaming only works one way—it does not come back. I will leave it there. Thank you.

09:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us.

Before I come to my questions, I declare an interest, as, six or seven years ago, I worked for a vision impairment charity that did quite a lot of work across the sensory impairment landscape, including with deaf charities.

I am interested in views on the second national BSL plan, and I will come to Avril Hepner first. We have heard mixed views on that plan. It recognises some of the key issues for BSL users, but there are concerns that it lacks focus and does not have clear, measurable goals or specific outcomes—you have touched on some of that already—and that timelines and accountability are not always clear. There is also criticism that it was watered down from earlier drafts. My question is an open one. What are your views on that second plan, and how have you been involved in its development?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

I put the same questions to Hannah Tweed around views on the second plan, the issues around the lack of measurement and, in essence, the watering down that we have heard about from Avril Hepner. The second plan is smaller in scope and size than the first plan. What are the consequences of that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Maggie Chapman

Amendments 135B to 135E seek to support and, I hope, improve on Meghan Gallacher’s proposed private rented sector charter. I support the idea of a charter; Meghan’s comments indicate why it is so important. Tenants’ rights are often not clearly outlined, so it is welcome and important to have a charter that simply explains those rights and how tenants can ensure that they are met.

I recognise that Meghan will not move her amendments today. However, I will give the rationale behind the amendments that I have lodged. Amendment 135B would ensure that key standards were included in the charter—they would not be an optional inclusion. Amendment 135C is intended to ensure that the charter would support tenants’ rights as much as possible. Even if we were to vote on Meghan Gallacher’s amendments today, I would not move amendment 135C—as I previously discussed with Meghan, we can tweak its wording.

Amendment 135D would ensure that the charter was consulted on appropriately. The amendment is based on the process that has happened with the social security charter.

Amendment 135E would ensure that the charter was available in accessible formats, such as Braille, so that everybody could read and understand their rights.

13:45