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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. That is helpful. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us.

I am interested in exploring a little more about how things work now, and what the bill could do. What do the young people you work with tell you about the right to withdraw from RO and RME—I take the point about their conflation in this bill—and how it currently works? What is your view on that?

Juliet, I will start with you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is exactly one of the things that we heard from our witnesses last week—that schools are not necessarily equipped to deal with this. That might be one reason why they do not make too much of an issue of it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I will come to Gavin Yates and Louise Church soon. Gina, you talked about the evidence that we have had from children about their experience, and their families’ experiences, of discrimination. Are you aware of any evidence of parents or children worrying about being othered or further stigmatised if they take a position on the issue of withdrawal from RO?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

What do you think, Gavin?

09:45  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Louise. That is really helpful. My final question is to any panel member. You have all said in different ways that we do not have evidence of high numbers of withdrawals in the process as it currently works. That could be because of a lack of awareness, stigmatisation or because not withdrawing is the path of least resistance, to use Gavin Yates’s phrase. Should we be gathering and monitoring data on withdrawals? The approach feels quite piecemeal; there is no requirement to record the number of withdrawals and there is no formal data gathering by local authorities. What are your views on whether we should have a clearer data-driven understanding of this? Alternatively, does data not have a role in something like this?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Louise Church, is there anything else that you want to add about how things are working at the moment or how we record information?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Thanks, folks—I will leave my questions there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

You talk about feedback and consultation, but I see those as being quite different from engagement. I see engagement as being much more co-productive. It involves having conversations that are not about discussing something that is already predetermined by university management or—