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That was helpful—thank you. This is my final question. Off the back of some of the discussions that we had with the previous panel, there is a sense that having a second version of the national advisory group—NAG mark 2—would help to drive forward the national plan. That might help with the development of some of the issues that you have highlighted should be implemented now rather than waiting until the third plan. I wondered whether any of you had any views on that as a way of driving development of the national plan. Jemina Napier, do you want to come in first?

Thank you. Rachel O’Neill, do you want to come in?

My final question for you, Avril, is about the NAG. Would it be feasible for that to help to support the second plan as it goes through? Could we establish NAG part 2 now and have it make robust and important interventions to the second plan?

Does the second plan even attempt to address those things or is it largely silent on them?

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. We have started talking about the national BSL plans, and I am interested in people’s views on the second plan. We know that it recognises key issues for many BSL users, but there are concerns that it lacks focus and does not have measurable goals or timescales. You have already alluded to some of that in your opening comments, but there is also a criticism that it was watered down compared to the draft that people saw initially. Lucy Clark, what are your views of the second national plan?

I know that people will be sad to hear that this is my last amendment to the bill at this stage.

Amendment 515 is an absolutely crucial amendment. We have heard criticisms that the bill does not do enough to increase the supply of homes, which my amendment seeks to address in specific ways. The “Scottish Vacant and Derelict Land Survey 2023” showed that we have over 9,000 hectares of derelict and vacant land in Scotland. Roughly two thirds of vacant and derelict land is used for residential housing, when it is eventually brought into use.

We also have many houses that are not in use. As of 2024, 31,596 homes had been left empty for more than one year. We have a housing crisis, people living in unsuitable accommodation and local authorities suspending social housing allocations as they are needed for temporary accommodation, yet we also have almost 32,000 homes that could be rented or sold for people to live in.

That situation has to change, and my amendment does that. It would allow local authorities to order a property or land that has been left vacant for a specified period to be sold for housing or rented to tenants. That is not a new idea: England’s empty dwelling management orders, which allow privately owned properties to be managed, have been in place for around 20 years. In 2018, the Scottish Land Commission published proposals on that, but the Scottish Government is yet to act on them.

I am very grateful to have Shelter Scotland’s support for my amendment. I am not shying away from the fact that the use of such orders is a complicated area, which is why I have largely left the issue to secondary legislation. I also accept that my amendment might need some tweaks or changes. However, given the statistics that I have outlined and the housing crisis that Mark Griffin and others have mentioned this afternoon, we should be using the bill to send a clear signal that we no longer tolerate houses being left empty for years when people are homeless.

Amendments 135B to 135E seek to support and, I hope, improve on Meghan Gallacher’s proposed private rented sector charter. I support the idea of a charter; Meghan’s comments indicate why it is so important. Tenants’ rights are often not clearly outlined, so it is welcome and important to have a charter that simply explains those rights and how tenants can ensure that they are met.

I recognise that Meghan will not move her amendments today. However, I will give the rationale behind the amendments that I have lodged. Amendment 135B would ensure that key standards were included in the charter—they would not be an optional inclusion. Amendment 135C is intended to ensure that the charter would support tenants’ rights as much as possible. Even if we were to vote on Meghan Gallacher’s amendments today, I would not move amendment 135C—as I previously discussed with Meghan, we can tweak its wording.

Amendment 135D would ensure that the charter was consulted on appropriately. The amendment is based on the process that has happened with the social security charter.

Amendment 135E would ensure that the charter was available in accessible formats, such as Braille, so that everybody could read and understand their rights.

I know that people will be sad to hear that this is my last amendment to the bill at this stage.

Amendment 515 is an absolutely crucial amendment. We have heard criticisms that the bill does not do enough to increase the supply of homes, which my amendment seeks to address in specific ways. The “Scottish Vacant and Derelict Land Survey 2023” showed that we have over 9,000 hectares of derelict and vacant land in Scotland. Roughly two thirds of vacant and derelict land is used for residential housing, when it is eventually brought into use.

We also have many houses that are not in use. As of 2024, 31,596 homes had been left empty for more than one year. We have a housing crisis, people living in unsuitable accommodation and local authorities suspending social housing allocations as they are needed for temporary accommodation, yet we also have almost 32,000 homes that could be rented or sold for people to live in.

That situation has to change, and my amendment does that. It would allow local authorities to order a property or land that has been left vacant for a specified period to be sold for housing or rented to tenants. That is not a new idea: England’s empty dwelling management orders, which allow privately owned properties to be managed, have been in place for around 20 years. In 2018, the Scottish Land Commission published proposals on that, but the Scottish Government is yet to act on them.

I am very grateful to have Shelter Scotland’s support for my amendment. I am not shying away from the fact that the use of such orders is a complicated area, which is why I have largely left the issue to secondary legislation. I also accept that my amendment might need some tweaks or changes. However, given the statistics that I have outlined and the housing crisis that Mark Griffin and others have mentioned this afternoon, we should be using the bill to send a clear signal that we no longer tolerate houses being left empty for years when people are homeless.

Amendment 262, in my name, continues on from my amendments on assistance animals in the previous group. It takes the Equality Act 2010 provisions on changes to rental properties for disabled people as the starting point but makes more explicit the fact that changes to make the property accessible should not require explicit approval. The amendment is meant to clarify disabled people’s rights in relation to changes to a property and to stop disabled people having to rely on the provision of section 190 of the Equality Act 2010. Those include changes to make a property wheelchair accessible, changes to create accessible washing and cooking facilities and facilities that relate to assistance animals, and changes that relate to the installation of guardrails, handrails, visual alarms and bells.

As with my previous amendments, these provisions are supported by the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland, Guide Dogs Scotland and Sight Scotland. I am happy to work with colleagues on the drafting of the amendments ahead of stage 3 to address any concerns that they might have about any of the wording of amendment 262.

Amendment 252, in my name, establishes a right to grow food and plants in outdoor spaces of rented properties. The physical and mental health benefits of gardening and growing your own food are well established, and this amendment would ensure that there should be no undue barriers to renters using outdoor spaces that are part of a property to grow their own food and plants as well as to promote animal and insect life, such as by planting flowers that support pollinators. That kind of action is vital as we are facing a nature emergency, with many of Scotland’s animal, insect and plant species threatened with extinction.

Given that young people in the most deprived areas of Scotland have significantly worse access to play space, the amendment also seeks to make it easier for modest changes to be made to garden and other spaces, so that they can enjoy the benefits of outdoor play.

Turning to the other amendments in the group, I agree that major structural changes should be out of scope, so there is Green support for Edward Mountain’s amendments 176 and 179. However, on his amendment 173, although it would help to smooth the process of tenants gaining approval for changes to a property, requiring all changes to be reversed unless the landlord agrees otherwise might have unintended consequences, including for disabled people who have made accessibility changes. Therefore, I ask Edward Mountain to work with colleagues ahead of stage 3 to address those concerns.

My amendment 190 addresses two important issues in relation to deposits. The first is the large deposits that so many landlords now require. As rents have skyrocketed, so have deposits. The average rent for a two-bedroom flat in Lothian is £1,358 a month. As landlords can ask for up to two months at once, a maximum deposit would be around £2,700. That presents a major barrier to securing accommodation for very many renters. As the discretionary housing payments budget is hugely oversubscribed, using that fund to help people to pay overly large deposits is clearly not the best use of a limited pot.

The second part of amendment 190 addresses up-front rent payments. It seeks to make it clear that

“any requirement to pay rent prior to the commencement of a tenancy or to secure ... the tenancy”

in the first place

“is a prohibited requirement.”

I welcome most of the other amendments in the group. Meghan Gallacher’s amendment 130 would require deposits to be paid directly to a deposit protection scheme. That would set up a direct line of communication between tenants and the scheme and make it easier for deposits to be returned. It would also avoid the problems of landlords illegally holding deposits themselves.

Graham Simpson’s amendment 73 would make it easier for people with less connection to the UK to provide a guarantor. We agree with that principle. Pam Duncan-Glancy’s amendment would make it easier for students to provide a guarantor, which we also support.

Paul McLennan’s amendments in the group are broadly welcome, but I seek an assurance that amendment 374 will not make it harder to create new purposes for which unspent deposits may be used. I would appreciate the cabinet secretary addressing that point in her remarks.