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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

Good morning to the panel and thank you for your contributions so far, which have been very interesting.

I want to pick up on a point that Jo Chidley made earlier about the potential and opportunity for sharing information, awareness raising and acting as a role model—that kind of thing. Acknowledging that the SME sector is a very diverse set of organisations and companies, how do we create a culture of zero carbon and net zero? That is not only about the financial and other help and support that is in place but about role models and awareness raising. Is there a role for things such as knowledge transfer? Associated with that, can we make better use of digital technologies? Michael Cusack talked about there being a need for new technologies all the time. Can we use technology to help us to create a culture across the sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

I thank the panel for their contributions today. I have two questions. First, we have heard from each of you about different positive incentives and approaches to funding people who are doing the right thing and who have positive action in mind. Is there any likelihood that you or others will increase the cost of funding for companies in high-carbon sectors or high-carbon supply chains? Is there a negative instrument?

Secondly, how do we make sure that we do not continue with the “valley of death”, or “missing middle”, in which Scottish start-ups fail to commercialise or achieve scale due to lack of access to funding?

I ask all three witnesses to respond briefly to the first question about increasing costs to fund grey companies. The second question is for the two banking folk.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

I will cut in there. I am talking about lending to all SMEs, not just those that are involved in house building.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

I will go back to Simon Crichton and Fraser Sime. How do we ensure that companies get beyond start-up and how do we deal with the valley of death for post start-up companies?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Transition to Net Zero (Financial Support)

Meeting date: 6 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

Of course. We see what the Scottish Council for Development and Industry has called “the valley of death” or “the missing middle”, where Scottish start-ups fail to commercialise or scale up because of lack of support and lack of access to capital. Do you envisage that changing?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Proposed Right to Food (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 5 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

I am not satisfied, no.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 5 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

I want to extend Fulton MacGregor’s questions and draw in a couple of other areas that I am interested in exploring. I suppose the first thing is to recognise—you have already done this, cabinet secretary—that the committee, never mind the Parliament as a whole, is at the beginning of trying to understand how we can do equalities and human rights budgeting better across the board.

The Scottish Human Rights Commission has asked whether the budget is as big as it could be, and I think that we have an obligation to maximise it so that we can deliver the things that we want to deliver. I suppose my question is about the Scottish Government’s approach to tax and the other revenue-raising powers that we have. A consultation is open on tax and budget policy, but are you in a position to say a little about how we can ensure that the budget is as big as possible using taxation and other revenue-raising powers? How are we doing on that work, especially through a human rights lens?

Returning to the NPF, how can we use long-term outcomes rather than annual or even three-yearly ones in order to address something on which I think we all recognise, even if it has not been a failing, we have not gone as far as we would have liked over the past 10 years, since the Christie recommendations on prevention?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Proposed Right to Food (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 5 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for coming along to talk to us.

Following on from the convener’s questions, I am interested to explore the relationship between your proposed bill and other things that we know are happening in the coming year. The Government has made a commitment to introduce the good food nation bill this year. In addition, later in the session, treaties that include the right to food will be incorporated into Scots law as part of the human rights bill. Do you have any comments on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 5 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

No, that is helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 5 October 2021

Maggie Chapman

I want to touch on a couple of areas. In your opening remarks, you talked about the equality budget advisory group report’s recommendations. How is the work of progressing those recommendations going? How are those recommendations allowing us to hear the often ignored or easy to ignore, more marginalised community voices in discussions on the budget and in the setting of priorities? I will come back with a couple of other issues.