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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for being with us this morning and for the evidence that you have given us in your opening statement and in writing. Also, thank you for waiting—the first evidence session went on for longer than we had anticipated. I will come to Jen Ang first. In your initial comments, you spoke about your support for the removal of the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis. Will you say a bit more about why that is so significant and important? Earlier this morning, we heard about the need to retain medical gatekeeping. Will you comment on that? I will come to the other witnesses in a moment.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Naomi, could I come to you on a similar point? Some of the concerns were that with the removal of any medical or psychiatric diagnosis, anybody who wanted a GRC could apply for one. Do you see that as problematic?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I have a couple of additional questions. Jen Ang and Naomi McAuliffe were talking about capacity, cognitive development and the range of ages at which certain decisions are allowable or enabled. In previous sessions and at some of the informal private sessions that we have had with trans people themselves, we have heard that some people under the age of 10 are clear that there is something that makes them feel that the expression of their identity does not match with the binary world that they are forced to inhabit, and that binary world comes from a clearly patriarchal system. Are there things that we should be considering along the lines of reforming the GRA in the way that the bill does, or more broadly, around supporting people under the age of 16 who might have questions and be thinking about transitioning but do not have the legal right or other support that would enable them to?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is fine, thank you.

I have another question. Catherine, can I come back to you? We heard those people who are not supportive of reform of the GRA speak about its widening the group of people who might be eligible to apply for a GRC. We heard that point this morning and we have seen it in evidence elsewhere.

What is your view on the argument that the reform that we are considering would open up the GRC process to a wider group of people? Do you think that we need to think about any safeguarding or mitigation measures as we consider the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Susan Smith, in your opening remarks you spoke about the eligibility criteria more broadly—that is, not only those that are associated with gender dysphoria. Will you say more about the criteria that you consider to be legitimate and not legitimate, and why?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Kate Coleman, you mentioned in your opening statement that the requirement of gender dysphoria should remain. Is your view aligned with what Lucy Blackburn Hunter and Susan Smith have just said?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Sorry, but can I just ask what you mean when you talk about the wider group?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Meet the criteria.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. I will leave that there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

I just wondered why you raised the Scottish sentencing guidelines.

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