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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Thanks. I have a final, very quick question. Is there a shining example of fostering good relations that you could tell us about?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Good morning, and thank you for being here. My questions are on balancing protected characteristics and the fostering good relations element of the PSED, but before I come to that, I will pick up on what you both said in your previous answers.
Minister, you said earlier that the PSED is procedural. We heard from the EHRC, which was on our first panel this morning, that there needs to be a shift away from thinking of it as procedural and towards using it as more of a tool. What conversations have you had with EHRC about that? How has it informed your conversations with other public bodies and within the Scottish Government?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
That is helpful.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Is there also a role for political leadership in this area? How do you see the political context of debates and discussions around race feeding into that? What should we, as parliamentarians, you, as the EHRC, and all of us who have an interest in and a responsibility with regard to the notion of fostering good relations be doing differently?
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Thank you. Given that we were talking about SFC matters, I should declare an interest: I am the rector of the University of Dundee,
My next question will cover an issue that you were hinting at there. If we take the notion of how we understand and promote fostering good relations as a tool, how could the Government and local authorities better incorporate it into budget conversations—that is, not only in budget decisions but in all the conversations that lead up to those decisions?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I want to focus on balancing characteristics and fostering good relations. It has been a bugbear of mine for some years that there has been limited understanding of, and virtually no conversation about, what fostering good relations means, and you have picked up on that. It has been very much the poor cousin of the various elements of the public sector equality duty. Why do you think that it is so hard for public bodies to grasp what fostering good relations means and what such a process should look like? In your view, what would good practice look like when it comes to fostering good relations?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
I will come to the guidance in a moment, but when you talk about confidence, do you mean confidence in doing something or confidence in understanding what fostering good relations means? I think that those are two different things, and I see weaknesses in both. Which are you referring to?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Jennifer, do you want to come in?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Do you get a sense from any of your conversations with Police Scotland, either as part of the uniformed services project or elsewhere, that the notion of balancing needs—as opposed to risks—is sometimes used as an excuse to do nothing?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 January 2026
Maggie Chapman
Can you give us more of a flavour of some of those projects might be, or is it too early to say? One challenge is that the Government says, “We’ve got this money for community cohesion”, but people on the ground wonder what it actually means for them, especially if they live in situations where there is conflict and tension and they feel powerless to resolve it.