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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Diagnosis itself is a current requirement so it does not capture those who do not experience gender dysphoria. The current system therefore does not serve a proportion of the trans community who do not have that diagnosis, which means that we are not supporting them at all through the current process, and I view that as problematic. Given the lack of engagement of the panel with the individual, that medical support is not there. I agree that support needs to be provided, but I am not sure that using this process is the appropriate way.

Karen, I will come to you on this. Is it your clear position that the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is problematic? You have stated that you welcome its removal. What do you see as being legitimate or necessary evidence or criteria for the new process?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will come to you, finally, Fraser Sutherland. In your opening remarks, you said that autonomy is really important. How do you see that medicalisation of the process interacting with the notion of autonomy, if at all?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Do you anticipate that you will determine what to include once the bill is at stage 3? In any process, will you seek clarification around, for example, any evidence that is required?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Kate Coleman, you mentioned in your opening statement that the requirement of gender dysphoria should remain. Is your view aligned with what Lucy Blackburn Hunter and Susan Smith have just said?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

But sexual health is different from mental disorder.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Malcolm Clark, you also mentioned the need to retain the concept of gender dysphoria.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Can I just clarify that you do not consider the current process to be demeaning and intrusive?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Actually, my question is on 16 and 17-year-olds. Susan Smith and Lucy Hunter Blackburn, you both referred to the Scottish sentencing guidelines, in which there is a distinction for under-25s. Are you therefore suggesting that the age for obtaining a GRC should be raised to 25? Please give a yes-or-no answer, because of time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for being with us this morning and for the evidence that you have given us in your opening statement and in writing. Also, thank you for waiting—the first evidence session went on for longer than we had anticipated. I will come to Jen Ang first. In your initial comments, you spoke about your support for the removal of the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis. Will you say a bit more about why that is so significant and important? Earlier this morning, we heard about the need to retain medical gatekeeping. Will you comment on that? I will come to the other witnesses in a moment.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Maggie Chapman

Naomi, could I come to you on a similar point? Some of the concerns were that with the removal of any medical or psychiatric diagnosis, anybody who wanted a GRC could apply for one. Do you see that as problematic?