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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Having the children’s commissioner’s eyes on that draft might be helpful in spotting things that could cause issues later.

My final question is on training and awareness. How have the conversations gone with bodies that have responsibility for training healthcare professionals and social work professionals? As you identified, it is crucial that there is culturally sensitive training and community-based awareness. If there is not such awareness among our professionals across a wide range of agencies, we will not necessarily be able to provide support to people who need it at the right time. How have the conversations gone with the people who train professionals to be in a position to provide support and identify or notice issues?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister. Thank you for your opening remarks and for your answer to the convener’s question. Given the range of issues that folk have said would inhibit or restrict implementation, I am interested in whether any of them were raised in the consultation that took place before the Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Bill was passed. If such conversations happened before the final vote on the bill, how were the issues dealt with at the time?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful.

I have a question about part 2. Minister, you previously stated that the aim was to lay relevant secondary legislation in the summer, with it coming into force later this year—in December or over the winter. Can you update us on exactly when that will happen? What are the timescales in relation to part 2?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

I am trying to get at what we need to guard against for future legislation or even for the implementation of some of this act. Minister, I heard your commitment that you want the act to be implemented soon, but how can we be sure that we do not come across the same issues, either in relation to this legislation or in relation to other similarly complex and sensitive laws that we might wish to enact?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

It would be a shame to get all the data-sharing issues sorted out, only to realise, “Oh, we didn’t think of this.” It is good that you are thinking about that, too.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Minister, as you were speaking, I was thinking about the relationship between criminal processes and civil processes. Other legislation is going through the Parliament at the moment that involves discussions that relate to, if they do not directly speak to, how civil and criminal courts might be able to work together. Can you say a bit more about that? With the Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill and the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, there is an opportunity for us to ensure that we get this right. I suppose that I just want some reassurance that, as you work through implementation of part 2 of the 2021 act, you will have your eyes on what is going on elsewhere.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Yes.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

The committee has just completed an inquiry into legal aid provision. One challenge that was raised was about the ability of victims/survivors to access legal aid. Were conversations happening at the time about what was available, given concerns about geographic variations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. I am not sure who wants to take my next question. Given the consultation that is to come and what we know about other structures that need to connect to the process, such as legal aid provision and the training and support that people who are to take evidence from children will need, what lessons can we learn in order to ensure that we are not back here in another year or two, having asked for and got more information and made promises to people, but still unable to deliver DAPOs?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

To clarify, are you talking about the costs involved in implementation for all the partner agencies such as the courts and the police?