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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I note the evidence that you gave in Westminster in February 2021 when you said very similar things. When you talk about gatekeeping and safeguards, what kinds of things do you have in mind?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and thank you for joining us. I have a couple of questions. First, will you give us a flavour of the support for trans people and others that the clinics provide, so that we know what you do?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will come back on a couple of things. In a lot of what we have heard, the assumption is that we are always talking about trans women; we must recognise that trans men exist, too, and Sharon Cowan mentioned non-binary people in her opening remarks. In relation to what you say about gender dysphoria and the medicalisation of it, given that the World Health Organization has reclassified it and there is increasing evidence that not all trans people experience gender dysphoria, how can we retain a restriction that excludes trans people from getting a GRC?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that there are no other identities that we may have as human beings and that are currently recognised by the Equality Act 2010 that require gatekeeping in that way.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

One issue in relation to the panel requiring evidence to be submitted to prove that you are who you say you are is that the process is intrusive. Surely trans people deserve privacy, too.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I know that another member wants to ask about age later on, so I will leave that to them.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

The evidence is increasingly clear that there is substantial published research based on direct engagement with trans people that that is not always the case. I would not want to prescribe what being a woman has to mean—the idea that you have to look, dress and act a certain way is sexism, and I would not do that—and I would not want to do that to trans people, either.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I suppose that, on the issue of the wider group and what characteristics might be included in that wider group, there are questions about why that has the legal significance that two of the panel members seem to be giving it. However, I realise that we probably need to move on, convener, so I will leave it there for now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

There are protections for that accordingly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that is helpful. You said in your opening statement that the need for a gender dysphoria diagnosis is viewed internationally as outdated. That point links closely with the current process of having a panel of medical experts assessing information. Can you comment on the appropriateness of that process, based on what you have heard from the trans people to whom you have spoken and from your analysis of that process?