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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

Thanks—that is helpful. You will be aware of conversations that we have had in this committee around the need to identify the minimum core obligations and what we actually mean by the universal rights that we want to enshrine in Scots law. That is a question with regard to the work that you and your officials are doing. As we do some of the work around the minimum core obligations, what points will it be necessary or important to bear in mind, particularly as we think about how that work can link to budget scrutiny, ensuring that we get that accountability connection with the minimum basic level of rights, whether those rights are being delivered and whether the resources exist to deliver those?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister. Thank you for being here and for your answers so far.

My question is on exactly the same line as Pam Duncan Glancy took. I will make a final point in that regard. I hear what you said about the training and support that the members of the chamber will have. However, if they identify a potential issue, will there be the opportunity for them to signpost people to further support and advice from Social Security Scotland? From the information that they have, they might identify opportunities for the individuals to apply for benefits that they are not claiming, even though they are eligible for them. How do we close the circle by linking what is, as you said, a taxation system with the social security system, which should provide support?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

I apologise if I missed you talking about this, minister, but can you give us an update on the regulations to introduce our own public sector equality duty, which the Scottish Government has been talking about? How do you see that work progressing over the next two years? We want the regulations in operation in 2025.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

It is a communication issue; we need to ensure that people are aware of what is out there. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

Good morning. Thank you for joining us and for the information that you have given us so far. I have two broad areas of questioning, which touch on things that Colin Smyth and Fiona Hyslop have picked up on.

Emma, you mentioned the strategies and plans that we have and you said that the “No one left behind” scheme was seen as an answer to all questions and challenges. Your October 2021 report contained key recommendations on ensuring that reforms of strategies, plans and social security benefit design and the national care service all work together. Over the past 18 months, have you seen the progress that you expected to see in that linking, overarching and working together at that level?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

It makes me wonder what the follow-up strategies are based on, if not that solid scrutiny. It comes back to collecting data in the first place and then its interpretation.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

There are different schemes for disabled-positive employers, with accreditations and so on. Is there a role for formalising that in a more coherent and standardised way across business sectors in order to support employers to understand what they should be doing and what they could be doing very easily?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

There is also the impact of—I was going to say, “doing the wrong thing”. I do not mean that uncharitably, but I refer back to Colin Smyth’s point about single-year funding. We have been talking about multiyear funding for decades now, and we are still talking about it. Your comments are really helpful and they give us something to dig into.

Ashley, you spoke about something that I see fitting into the social model of disability when you said that people’s employment chances start long before they leave school. I suppose that one of the challenges is to educate society as a whole so that people understand what they are entitled to and what support is out there, and to help employers to understand how they can upskill and what they should be doing legally, never mind ethically or morally.

Will you unpick that a little more? How are we not getting the right support either for people who need employment support or for people who provide employment to know what they can and should be doing? How are we not getting that right?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

You said that the reality of what is happening on the ground is not matching the expectations. Is that a capacity issue or is it to do with understanding? Why are businesses going into schools but not galvanising any continuity or any relationship?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Disability Employment Gap

Meeting date: 25 January 2023

Maggie Chapman

Do you see particular areas of weakness? In your 2021 report, you talked specifically about the relationship between unpaid carers and people who draw on unpaid care to function—never mind to gain employability, but just to live. Are there other areas of particular weakness or, if not weakness, areas that we should be mindful of ensuring that we focus on to get that joining up?