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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you; that is really helpful. Part of my question is motivated by comments that have been made by service providers that are funded through different strands of Scottish Government funding around the resource spending review. They are looking at some of the directions of travel that were laid out in the review. I know that matters have moved on—sometimes in the wrong direction, for the reasons that you outlined—in the intervening six months; however, there is concern around decisions being taken without an understanding of the consequences in terms of material outcomes. Other members might want to pick upon that.

You mentioned the national performance framework. Linking that to where we consider we should be, how do you see the national performance framework giving us the outcomes that we want? Pam Duncan-Glancy will come in later to talk about the issue of minimum core outcomes when we are dealing with such questions, but it seems to me that we do not always understand the consequences of the decisions that we take here. I am curious to know whether you think that we are moving in the right direction, because I do not think that we have everything in place yet.

Where do you see the pressure points, and where we need a bit more intervention to better understand the consequences of financial decisions?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

You have all mentioned the people shortage in different ways, but the fact is that some of that is not within our control. What would you like us to do to try to make welding and other fabrication jobs more attractive?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

Ian, I must apologise for mixing you and Paul Sheerin up earlier. Does your sector have same the mismatch with regard to the skills and labour balance, or are there just gaps everywhere?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning. I thank the witnesses for their comments so far.

I wonder whether David Thomson could unpick that 9.1 per cent figure for vacancies. Does it relate directly to specific types of jobs? Earlier, you said that 95 per cent of the businesses that you represent are small to medium sized, but what is the variation in that figure across the organisations and businesses that you represent?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. It sometimes strikes me that, when we try to grapple with the mismatch between labour and skills shortages and vacancies, we are trying to fix the problem with solutions that will not be fit for the future. Given that you have introduced the issue of automation and how we shift the way in which business works, what focused support would you like to see in the Scottish Government’s budget in those areas to pull together the vacancy, labour and skills gaps? After all, automation could significantly transform how we do what we do and how you manufacture what you manufacture.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks. I was going to ask what engagement you had had with SDS, so it is good to hear those comments.

Euan, do you want to respond to the same questions on the mismatch of skills?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

Ian Laird, I think that you said that up to a third of businesses are thinking of reducing their size and letting people go—or potentially closing—given the cost issues that they face.

I am sorry—it might have been Paul Sheerin who said that.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

What would be the knock-on consequences for employment more generally as a result of that? Is there a tension between that and people wanting to work? I accept what has been said about the shifts in people’s approaches to employment, but how are you balancing those tensions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I want to start the conversation with questions of process and how we define and describe the process of human rights thinking in our budget decisions.

Oonagh Brown said in her opening statement that centring people with lived experience in the process is important. One challenge with access is that inclusion and participation, which are a cornerstone of realising rights, sometimes seem impossible because of the time that budgeting processes take. What would a transparent, inclusive and accessible process look like for you and the people whom you work with and support?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. It is very useful for us that you have pointed out some of your strategies and documents, just now and in your written submission.

My next question is for Clare Gallagher and is on similar lines. Oonagh Brown rightly pointed out how inaccessible the resource spending review documentation and process can be, and we need to learn from that. Clare, from your work at CEMVO, what is your assessment of how we can learn from looking backwards compared to taking a purely forward-looking approach? It is about a revisionist approach versus saying that what we have does not work so we should create something new. How do we get the best of both approaches?