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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. I will ask one more question, if I may. There have been discussions about having commissioners for other bits of rights. How do you view the SHRC’s role as an overarching body? How do you see that role developing?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Ian Duddy, you talked about the shift from 12.5 to 14.5 members of staff, which you described as “steady state”. Given what is coming at us all with the human rights bill, incorporation and the distinct legal and constitutional challenges around that, never mind just the human rights bit, when you say “steady state”, how much additional resource do you anticipate needing? I know that you will have started some of those conversations with staff who support you in the Parliament, but where are those conversations going?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you very much for that clarity.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thanks for your comments, Ian. In your initial response to Pam Gosal’s question, you said that you stand by the evidence that you gave in June. During the same meeting, we also heard from the UN independent expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, Victor Madrigal-Borloz. In his evidence, he was quite clear that, in the work that he has undertaken, the so-called competition of rights has come up before. He said that he has found no evidence to support that there is

“any systemic identifiable pattern of risk in ... the situation that is created by ... self-identification.”—[Official Report, Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, 21 June 2022, c27-28]

Does the SHRC agree with that view of the situation, and, from your understanding of other countries where legal recognition by self-identification works, have you heard any evidence to suggest that there can be conflict, as the letter by Reem Alsalem suggested?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Human Rights Commission

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us.

Ian Duddy, I follow on from Pam Duncan-Glancy’s line of questioning on staffing. How is the commission, at the moment? We have been through Covid and its impact—some of which we have talked about—and, as you outlined in your opening remarks, there has been a significant amount of organisational change, about which I have a few questions. I am interested in how the staff in your team are feeling.

I should declare that, as a member of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, I will be scrutinising the budget bid that you have put in for next year.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, Professor Skea. Thank you very much for your opening remarks and what you have said so far. I am interested in exploring an issue that you raised. You said that planning and strategic thinking for the future were a focus in the first phase of your work. In addition to the calls that you have made, we have heard calls for clarity—given the potential lack of clarity at present—on the pipeline of work that we need in order to transition to net zero.

Do you believe that we have done the work that is needed to understand the detail across the different sectors and elements? Do we have that detail or is a lot of work still needed for us to understand where we want to get to, never mind how we will get there?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Maggie Chapman

I am conscious of a potential pitfall or problem if we see just transition as something separate rather than as something that sits alongside Scotland’s other economic and social priorities. Are there dangers in viewing it as something that is not foundational and core to our entire economic planning and strategic thinking? Similarly, are there dangers in viewing the work that we need to do around adaptation as a separate, distinct thing and not something that we see in the just transition space?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition Commission

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Maggie Chapman

My last question for now is about the conversations that you have had in the commission, but also more broadly with the Scottish Government and other stakeholders. Are there any policies or proposals that are potentially red herrings, given the time pressures and what we know are going to be financially constrained times? Are there things that we may need to move away from doing because we know that we can get better impacts and outcomes from focusing on other things?