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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

How is your engagement with the trade unions working if that is their position? You say that you want to improve the culture and you want to be transparent, but there has clearly been a breakdown in communication.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

It is helpful to know that that material is being collated, looked at and stress tested. How do you see it fitting into conversations with the SFC and others about the longer-term recovery plan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I might pick up on some of those points again in a little while, but I want to follow up on the point about the sense of community. How do you respond to what we have heard from DUSA that students are concerned about the impact that they see that all this is having on the people who are teaching them, supporting them, making sure that the labs work, and so on? What would you say to DUSA, either directly or indirectly through us?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I want to go back to the issue of the university engaging with staff and building and sustaining relationships with them. What is your understanding of fair work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

So, will there be a £50,000 grant and a £12,000 loan?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. My final question comes back to the point of culture. You have talked about the personal and professional trauma that staff have gone through. UCU told us that around 70 per cent of staff who completed the survey are seeking support for poor mental health. We have heard that critical views are being silenced through acts of intimidation, including being identified publicly, that decisions continue to be made behind closed doors and that proper procedures are not always followed.

Those are just some examples, but there are more. I think that staff feel gaslit sometimes, quite frankly, but I know that that is not your intention. We have heard fine words in response to questions from Pam Duncan-Glancy and others today. How are you going to turn that around? It seems that we need to move beyond fine words about what we want in the university community—dignity, humanity and trust—but the question is, how do we do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

People who have raised issues are being picked on or identified so that they could be picked on. They now feel more vulnerable than they did before.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, cabinet secretary and officials. Thank you for joining us this morning. I have a couple of questions on slightly different but related points. I will stick with part 1 for now. Many stakeholders have said that the bill conflates religious observance with religious and moral education. Although that is the case in existing legislation, we have heard quite a lot of very clear evidence and very strong support for the view that it should not be possible to opt out of RME, because of its value and its educational role in our society. Why did the Government not take the opportunity with this legislation to make that distinction in law and say, “RME is core to our curriculum and we will not have young people opting out, whether it is them or their parents doing that, because it is a fundamental area of our education”?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. Those comments are useful, and they reinforce what Marie McNair said about the need for clear guidance on interpretation so that children and young people are not forced to take that step to seek clarification of whether an exemption should apply through the courts. We do not want our young people to have to do that. I hope that we would have systems in place that deal with some of those issues before court actions and court decisions are required. That was a helpful clarification.

Cabinet secretary, my final question relates to something that you said in your letter to the committee, in which you talked about engagement with the UK Government to explore the

“removal of any legislative restrictions that currently limit the Scottish Parliament’s ability to enhance human rights protections”.

You said that if there was no progress within the next 12 months, the Scottish Government would commission a review of UK acts. Can you say a little bit more about the rationale for the 12-month period and how those conversations with the UK Government are going?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Maggie Chapman

I was not suggesting that RME be put on a statutory footing.