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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do we need a separate plan if it turns out that those technologies do not actually work—although we hope that they do? After all, they are still at an infant stage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you, convener. It is on costs. We heard from the people’s panel that there needs to be better information, communication and financial support from the Scottish Government to reach the targets. How will the Government make sure that that is all affordable for households in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

The plan will have costs not just for the Government but for households.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I want us to get to net zero, but it needs to be done in an affordable way. As things stand, I do not know what the impact will be on our households of the regulations that are coming through. It seems as though we are writing a blank cheque with no idea of the costs to Government, families or businesses. I welcome the fact that there will be costs in the climate change plan, and I hope that, when I see those costs, I will be able to support the budgets. However, at this time, there are too many unknowns, and I do not feel that we should be asked to approve the regulations without knowing those costs.

There is a risk of huge inequalities in relation to things such as electric vehicles, which we have spoken about. If you are fortunate enough to have a driveway where you can charge your car, you can pay 7p per kilowatt hour, but if you do not have a driveway, you have to use a public charger and will probably pay seven times that—perhaps 55p per kilowatt hour, or up to 90p per kilowatt hour if you are at a service station. That is a real risk.

The Climate Change Committee says no to electricity generation from gas, but the cabinet secretary cannot tell us whether she agrees with that at present, so we do not know whether that will be part of the future.

On the cost of electricity, I agree that it is too expensive, and that is often blamed on the gas price. As I mentioned last week, if I look at my utilities bill, I see that electricity is four times more expensive than gas. I hear that it is pegged to gas prices, but when we have to pay more or when the wholesale price goes up, where does that money go? Does it go to the wind farms and increased costs? I am not clear on that.

We have heard things from the Westminster Government about the £300 that we are meant to be getting off our electricity bills, but there is no sign of that happening any time soon. The situation with bills is complex. It is not only the wholesale costs that make up our electricity bills; we are also paying for balancing costs, CFD subsidies, renewable obligation certificate subsidies, grid upgrades and the social tariffs.

I also have a concern about the impact on communities. Without a plan or an energy strategy, the impact on our communities is unknown. I would welcome the plan. I know that it is coming at the end of October or early November but, as it stands, it is difficult to approve the regulations without seeing more detail.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will Michael Matheson take an intervention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

As part of the adaptation that you mentioned, should we be looking to do more in this country, whether on food security, chips—not the food kind but the electronic kind—or anything else? Should we be trying to do much more in this country so that we depend much less on others?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Diseases do not respect borders, but neither do emissions. The UK is responsible for 0.8 per cent of global emissions, I think, and Scotland accounts for maybe a 20th of that. Regardless, therefore, of what we do in terms of carbon budgets or reaching net zero, if the rest of the globe is not doing its bit, we will not achieve anything, will we?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Good morning, cabinet secretary. I will stay on electricity generation. The Climate Change Committee assumes no power plants with gas and carbon capture and storage in Scotland. Do you agree with the Climate Change Committee’s advice that there will be no emissions from electricity supply in Scotland from 2030 and that there will be no gas plants with CCS in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

It has said that, for example, a new gas electricity power station with carbon capture and storage next to it in Peterhead should not go ahead. Is that also the Government’s view?