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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

So it is not the case that the UK Government can change, by regulation, where fishermen can fish. That would be an agreement between—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Biodiversity Beyond National Jurisdiction Bill

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Yes, that is my concern—that the Parliament will be asked to approve this without understanding the implications for Scottish fishermen.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

So, you are saying that it is not most of the funding overall. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Monica, you are proposing a maximum penalty of 20 years’ imprisonment. Why did you settle on that figure, rather than on 10 years, as they have in France, or the minimum of eight years that is in the EU environmental crime directive?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Convener, I was going to go on to my next point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I am trying to understand how the bill could be amended to incorporate the alternative conviction provision. I guess that the Government might bring forward a proposal on that at the next stage, if the bill gets that far.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I would say that the word “negligence” suggests that you do not know what you are doing, and that is a problem.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

With regard to vicarious liability, what is your view of contractors that do work for the main company, for example?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Therefore, you think that, if a company is following a proper process, it is the contracting company that—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 December 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Could the bill have any unintended consequences? For example, is there any danger of companies moving their headquarters away from Scotland because there is an ecocide law in place?