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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

We know that the decline is coming; it is about how fast it is. That is the issue when it comes to policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

You mentioned prevention and collaboration. I do not want to be a spokesperson for local government, but I will say that I fear that prevention will be impacted by the cut of 2.7 per cent to the local government budget that we heard about. Is that a fear that you share?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

As a new committee member, I just want to check something that is on the income tax table in figure 4. Am I right in thinking that, if we had not had devolved income tax, the Scottish taxpayer would be £742 million better off and the Scottish Government £190 million better off? Is that right, or am I missing something?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Is that just to the Scottish taxpayer, or would the Scottish Government have extra money as well because of the block grant adjustments? I guess there would not be a block grant adjustment, in fact.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

I turn to another question. There was no mention of council tax in your report. Is there a concern that the council tax cap being removed would bring an overall burden to the taxpayer—that it would increase our overall level of tax—and that that could have a damaging impact on the economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. I will move on. When I was reading the report, it seemed—as I think Daniel Johnson mentioned earlier—that tax earnings are falling compared with the rest of the UK, social security charges are rising compared with the rest of the UK, the working population is falling compared with the rest of the UK, economic growth is lower than it is in the rest of the UK and recovery is slower in Scotland.

When I read about all that, I was concerned about how sustainable everything is. Would action need to be taken in the short term to try to stop some of the figures that we are seeing coming through?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Are there any other comments from anyone else?

I think that is a no.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

We could talk about it for a long time and still not find solutions.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 14 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

In terms of the fear that the prevention agenda cannot happen because local government, which is where a lot of the prevention takes place, is having its budget squeezed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 7 December 2021

Douglas Lumsden

My question follows on pretty well from what Michelle Thomson said. It is good to hear that the net zero capital spending plans are in the forecast. However, I have a concern about oil and gas, and the capital plans that are under pressure not to be spent as we move forward. If those investments did not happen, what would that do to the forecast? I presume that that would have a greater impact on the Scottish economy than it would in the rest of the UK, and there would then be greater divergence between the Scottish tax intake and the intake in the rest of the UK. Has any modelling been done on what would happen if some of those new investments, especially in the North Sea, did not take place?