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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

The cost of power is up. For example, floating offshore wind, which we probably have an abundance of, costs about £155 per megawatt hour. How are we ever going to be price competitive when the cost of it is still so high?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do we need that storage plan in place before we move on with many of the other things?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. That would be helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. Looking at the cost of green hydrogen, a climate change report that was written on behalf of the Scottish Government says:

“It is more costly to produce hydrogen in Scotland as compared to all other case study countries. This is because the cost of offshore wind generated power in Scotland is higher than the other low carbon power technologies used.”

The lowest cost was in France, where nuclear power was being used to produce hydrogen.

It goes back to the point that Mark Ruskell raised. How do we become competitive when we are looking at things like e-methanol and SAF as well? How do we become competitive when the cost to us of producing hydrogen is so high?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I will limit it. We heard about pipelines earlier. How easy is it to repurpose pipelines from natural gas to hydrogen? We have had some conflicting views about that over the past couple of weeks. Does anyone have a view on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

It might not be an easy thing just to switch from natural gas to hydrogen on, let us say, the main pipeline between—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I was just about to ask about getting electric prices down to actually make hydrogen competitive.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

We have heard about production taking place only during curtailment. I guess that, on the back of that, quite a lot of storage will be required. Is there any storage? How easy is it and how much is planned so far? No storage is proposed at the Kintore hydrogen plant, for example, so where would all the storage be? I will start with Lewis Elder.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I would like to continue the discussion about the storage of hydrogen. Stuart, in your submission, you say that the storage of hydrogen is expensive and difficult. What do we need to do to get the cost down? What do we need to plan for the future?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do you have any estimate of the cost for that?