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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

But we have seen this level of impairment in Scotland before.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Will that resource still be available in the years to come?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Just another couple of things—sorry, convener, I know that time is an issue.

Can you give us a bit more information on the £24 million reduction due to underspends in the young persons guarantee?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Do you feel that it might be possible to demonstrate the effects of that approach to health spend, for example? I hate to use the term “ring fencing”, because we want to get away from that. Nonetheless, could you invest in health at the local government level and keep that investment separate so that it can be identified, in order that the Government can then track that through and see what the savings might be later on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I go back to what the convener said about paying for somebody’s operation. Surely the best thing is for that person not to need the operation in the first place, and to invest in leisure facilities at the local government level so that people are healthier and there is less of an impact on the health service later. I know that it is difficult, but if there was a way of trying to demonstrate that, it would be easier for the Government to move some of that spend to a more preventative approach at the local government level. Anything that you could do on that would be really worth while.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I want to dig a bit deeper on the preventative approach that we have spoken about. I keep banging the drum, but I always feel that the best early intervention and prevention is done at the local government level. I get what the convener said. It is often difficult to move budgets, but health spend does not always have to be spent on the NHS—money for a health outcome could be spent in local government, for example. The same applies to justice spending. How does local government make the case for that? Could more data be provided that shows the outcomes to demonstrate to the Government that money should be spent in a certain area to save money on health and justice later?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Do you think that COSLA could push ahead with that? The convener is right—everyone who comes before the committee says that they want more money. It would be great if the Government could give everyone more money, but there is a finite pot. It is important to demonstrate that investing in local government will produce a return later on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I think that there is a strong case but, to be honest, it needs to be made a little bit better. Ms Rowand may want to add something on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I just want to dig a bit deeper into the £7,400 teaching grant that you mentioned. I guess that the Scottish Government would pay that for all Scottish students and would have been paying it for all EU students in the past. That latter cost will reduce over time. Is the EU contribution part of it a significant chunk of the overall teaching grant that comes in?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Douglas Lumsden

A lot of local authorities will have people queueing up at their doors expecting them to be able to do something about rates relief. We see the same thing in relation to the local rates relief schemes that they have the power to introduce but not the money to do so. We heard earlier about the squeeze on local government resources. I am concerned that your members will queue at the doors of local authorities that have no money to offer any schemes.