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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Three councils use ALEOs to provide care: Glasgow City Council, Aberdeen City Council and Scottish Borders Council. Has any work been done on the impact on those ALEOs? If local authorities no longer had a statutory duty to provide care, could they still have an ALEO that provided that service? What would be the impact?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I will come back to VAT, which is a big risk. In the worst-case scenario, how much are we talking about?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That leads me to my next point. There will be a choice for local authorities, because the statutory duty will move away from them on to the Scottish Government. As Mr Mason said, provision often costs more than local authorities actually take in, and local authorities could, if they wish, say, “Well, we don’t want to provide this service any more—over to you, national care service; you can buy this building if you want.” Would that be right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I have one other slight question. Some local authorities have arm’s-length external organisations providing care. I guess that, in future, it would have to be decided whether an ALEO would remain part of the local authority or whether it would potentially move across to the national care service, or continue to provide care as a provider. Is that right?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

As a final final point—sorry, convener—I think that you mentioned earlier that boards might differ in how they provide service. I am not sure whether that is what you said.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

The national care service should go hand in hand with that review, should it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Therefore the statutory duty would remain with local authorities.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That leaves Aberdeen City Council and Scottish Borders Council as the only two authorities that use an ALEO to provide care services. Could that model continue or would it have to be changed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

So there is only one left.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 4 October 2022

Douglas Lumsden

My next question is about air passenger duty. That was an area that could potentially be devolved. Is it something that the Government is still looking at, or are you moving away from that now?