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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Medium-term Financial Strategy

Meeting date: 6 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I will move on to my next question. You have been making estimates of the Government’s spending. What assumptions have you made about the public sector workforce? Have you seen that number falling or remaining constant?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

David Page’s point that the whole point of reform is to reduce cost and duplication is key. The organisations around the table probably all have a human resources director, a finance director and an IT director, so the key question is: would you reduce your head count and voluntarily put people into a central pool or would that have to be mandated? I still do not know what the answer is, from listening to everyone today.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Do you see that as being a central pool of people that the Government would use to put out to bodies to see how they could change or reform their services?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

We have heard about automation and data. One of the aims of the Scottish Government is to get the head count back to pre-Covid levels. Some of that will be through automation and better use of data and some of that will come from sharing services. From many of the submissions, we have seen that the head count is going in the wrong direction—it is going up. Do you have the resources required to make those changes in order to reduce the head count in the future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 30 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

No, but I think that Garry McEwan was about to come in.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Why do you think we do not do that now? Is it because there are too many political red lines that people will not go near? I am thinking of things like tuition fees, which you mentioned earlier.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Should that be part of the reform that we are discussing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Ms Payne, do you want to add to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Why, do you think, did that happen? Was there more money in the system and people were not too protective of budgets? Was there more of an appetite to take some risks than there had been before?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 23 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Does Mr Clark have anything to add? I will ask one last thing, if that is okay, convener. We heard about a local governance review, but the Scottish Government seems to have gone quiet on that. It is meant to be coming back, but we have not seen it. I would have thought that that would be part of the key reforms.