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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. That question might be for Sarah Watters as well. Will the review give us an idea of how funding should work between different organisations, or is it not going down to that sort of level?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

This is my final question. How could data sharing make an impact and remove costs from the overall public purse?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform Programme

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Is that data shared between different organisations, such as between Welfare Scotland, local authorities and health boards? Do all those people have access to the same data?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Yes, there is cause for optimism, but the SFC also says that the figures

“should be interpreted with caution”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I will move on to public sector reform. You mentioned that you are working on an overall picture of what the public sector landscape will look like. When do we expect to see that? I imagine that it will be key for setting the budget in years to come.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

You mentioned public bodies working better together. Will they do that voluntarily, or do you think that that has to be mandated? The evidence that we have heard is that it is possible to get proper, big reform only when it is mandated centrally.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

You mentioned the figures from the OBR and those from the SFC, which diverge quite a lot. The OBR’s forecast for earnings growth is 2 per cent and the SFC’s is 2.6 per cent, although the SFC says that that

“should be interpreted with caution as it is sensitive to changes in ... the ... forecasts”.

How much confidence do you have that earnings growth in Scotland will outperform that in the rest of the UK? As we all know, that is key. When it comes to the fiscal framework, we have to outperform the rest of the UK in order to receive positive block grant adjustments.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

All the examples that you gave are of bodies becoming more efficient in themselves and working better but still operating within their silo, although that might not be the best word to use. I am talking about how we get bodies to work better together across the board—that includes, for example, getting local authorities to work better with health boards and integration joint boards. Will that have to be mandated in future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Do you think that the bodies concerned will do that voluntarily or will it have to be mandated? That is the key thing that I am trying to understand.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy, Economic and Fiscal Forecasts and Policy Prospectus

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Oh! Thank you, convener—you took me by surprise.

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned earlier in response to questions from Liz Smith that the employment rate went down slightly. From what I can see, it went down by 1.8 percentage points, which is not a slight drop—it is a huge drop, in relative terms. What impact will that have on the tax net position that flows through? It looks as though the net position will be positive, but with a drop such as that, what changes might there be to the position?