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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

That applies to both Governments.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

I know that, in the past, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation has been very keen on the parental employability support fund, but the social security secretary has said:

“I am afraid that the ... fund has just run its course as a concept.”—[Official Report, Social Justice and Social Security Committee, 14 September 2023; c 14.]

Do you have any reflections on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

We have highlighted the cut to capital spending that is made in the budget—it is a cut of some £400 million. [Interruption.] The exact figure is £484 million—thank you for that, convener. The First Minister was talking about spending four times that amount. Is it realistic to say that, if we put that money back and added three times that amount, we could produce double-digit growth rates in Scotland? Is that realistic, Dr Sousa? If that would be possible, that is something that the committee might want to recommend. Could we find that money and achieve 10 per cent growth in Scotland?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

Chris Birt, do you have any thoughts on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

The committee has encountered challenges in finding any strategic approach to public sector reform. Keir Greenaway is right. It is clear that what you talked about is happening everywhere. Every organisation is having to react rather than taking a strategic approach.

We took evidence from the permanent secretary, who said that he did not understand, or was not aware of, the current Government’s approach to public sector reform. The resource spending review was dropped, but it seems to be back on the table. Do the witnesses—Audit Scotland and Martin Booth in particular—have clarity about where the approach is headed, given what they have heard from the Deputy First Minister?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 9 January 2024

Michael Marra

On that point—I am also reflecting on what we heard in the previous evidence session—we have long-term targets around reducing child poverty, climate change et cetera, but it feels like the budget is much more short term and that it does not consider the long-term priorities that the Government has set out, or how we will reach the targets. The implementation gap has been much commented on. It would be interesting to hear colleagues’ comments and views on the rhetoric and political language and whether they see the priorities reflected in what comes forward.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

Okay. Thank you.

I have a couple of other small issues to raise. We will move on, if that is okay. We are looking at fairly large increases in the social security spend, which you have already set out. Can you talk about the relative amount of the uplift that is the result of behaviour changes and policy in Scotland? There has been a lot of talk about a kinder and more generous policy. How much of that is based on assumptions about the intent of the policy, and how much of it is based on experience? Has Social Security Scotland provided you with figures? Are you basing what you say on modelling the increase or just on your broad assumptions about the policy intent?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

Okay. Thank you.

I am not sure that I got a specific answer to my question about whether there is anything else in the agreement with Government that it agreed to provide but did not provide by the deadline.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

The report says that you want to make sure that the work is “clear and accessible”. I wonder about its being replicable. In the run-up to the budget, we had a couple of external reports that tried to cost different taxation policies and used markedly different methodologies other than the key methodology, which is yours. To what extent is that a black box that people cannot see into? How much do you engage with external organisations to show your working so that they can plug their numbers into your formula and we can have a more consistent view of some of the issues around behaviour effects?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 20 December 2023

Michael Marra

I will stick with the issue of the public sector workforce. I am interested in how Government policy informs what you have done and the numbers that you have produced. The resource spending review, which was a major piece of work back in May 2022, said that the Government would aim to return the total size of the devolved public sector workforce to around pre-Covid levels by 2026-27.

We were promised that there would be more detail about that in last year’s budget, but John Swinney did not provide that and said that it was up to public bodies to do so. On 16 May, I asked the permanent secretary about the status of that policy, but he said:

“I do not think that that has been publicly stated”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 16 May 2023; c 36.]

He did not know what the status of that was. On 13 June, Shona Robison told this committee that it was

“A bit of a blunt tool”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 13 June 2023; c 27.]

and said that she was abandoning RSR, but, in recent days, we have heard much more language about a big decrease in the public sector workforce. What is your understanding of Scottish Government policy and how has it informed your predictions and assumptions?